Swords of Revealing Light

Status
Not open for further replies.
K

kuriboh-it

New Member
With the latest release of SYE-039 (Swords of Revealing Light), the last line of this card states:

Your opponent cannot declare an attack.
Click to expand...

So how can a monster unaffected by spell cards (Horus) still be allowed to attack when the owner has to declare the attack in the first place?

And please don't tell me the definition of 'declare' is some kind of pastry :D

"Declaring" is on alot of card texts, does anyone care to share their opinions???
 
Sort by date Sort by votes
But it's such a yummy pastry I get them at the donut shops all the time. LOL

That is a good question as it designates the player not the field directly. :-o

Care to take this one Bishop?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
After totally botching up my "Ojama King" statement earlier, I will only lend this to the discussion.  This is a question that I asked back in August on the Judge List, and the accompanying answer:

Question: [Mike Brehm]
Does the effect of "Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite" override that of an opponent's "Swords of Revealing Light" for the equipped monster?

Answer: [Curtis Schultz]
A monster equipped with "Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite," through its effect, is not affected by the opponent's "Swords of Revealing Light" and can still attack.

If you are asking about "Horus the Black Flame Dragon - LV6" vs. "Swords of Revealing Light", I imagine the situations are quite similar.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
He's not really arguing whether it can attack or not, he's arguing the difference between a monster and the owner of the card. It distinctly says on the card "Your opponent cannot declare".

In any case, I just say it's because the card is an older print card, you can't get much older then LOB cards anyways (other then if you try SDY and SDK). So that'd be my reason, they'll probably have it be something like "None of your opponent's monsters can attack" or something like that in the future, it would make more sense, I know.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
The reason for asking this one is because of the Horus LV6.

LV6 is unaffected by any spell cards. Since when can monsters attack with out the PLAYER declaring an attack with a monster? (Last time I checked, it was still the PLAYER that has to declare an attack, as monsters cannot automatically attack). Which brings up another intersting question. If Swords is active on the field, can "Berserk Gorilla" attack? Since it MUST attack every turn when possible, this must be one of those monsters that can attack without a player declaring an attack. :)
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
kuriboh-it said:
The reason for asking this one is because of the Horus LV6.

LV6 is unaffected by any spell cards. Since when can monsters attack with out the PLAYER declaring an attack with a monster? (Last time I checked, it was still the PLAYER that has to declare an attack, as monsters cannot automatically attack). Which brings up another intersting question. If Swords is active on the field, can "Berserk Gorilla" attack? Since it MUST attack every turn when possible, this must be one of those monsters that can attack without a player declaring an attack. :)
Click to expand...

"When possible" is the key phrase. When Swords of Revealing Light is out, it is not possible. When two Marauding Captains are the only two monsters on your opponent's side of the field, it is not possible. Also, like somewan said, "cannot" usually overrides "can." In the Horus LV6 situation, Horus LV6 says it is unaffected by any Spell Cards. That means that when Swords of Revealing Light is face-up on the field, it is not affecting Horus LV6, so Horus LV6 can attack.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
And I was always told:

Go by the latest card text

Well, you can't get any later than the Yugi Evolution Deck. Since this one is newer than the LOB version....

And this one says a PLAYER cannot declare an attack. (Which is where all of this came from). Now the way I see it, Swords is not affecting Hours LV6 - since Swords now says a PLAYER cannot declare an attack. I could understand if it says MONSTERS may not attack, but it doesn't.


Here is some food for thought:

DCR-046 - Staunch Defender - You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack. Select 1 face-up monster on your side of the field. During the turn this card is activated, your opponent can only attack the monster you selected. Your opponent must attack the selected monster with all face-up monsters on his/her side of the field.

DCR-102 - Sakuretsu Armor - You can activate this card when your opponent declares an attack. Destroy the attacking monster.

DCR-104 - Blast Held by a Tribute - You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack with a monster on his/her side of the field that has been Tribute Summoned or Set. Destroy all face-up Attack Position monsters on your opponent's side of the field and inflict 1000 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points.

DOD-003 - Widespread Ruin - You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack. Destroy 1 monster with the highest ATK among your opponent's Attack Position monsters.

IOC-104 - A Hero Emerges - When your opponent declares an attack, he/she randomly selects 1 card from your hand. If it is a Monster Card, Special Summon it on your side of the field. If not, send it to the Graveyard.


And the full text of the NEW text of "Swords of Revealing Light"
SYE-039 - Swords of Revealing Light - Flip all face-down monsters on your opponent's side of the field face-up. This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, your opponent cannot declare an attack.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
If this is true, then Swords of Revealing Light will be a much more powerful card. It will not stop the monsters, but its controller!!!

your opponent cannot declare an attack... this sounds pretty nasty...

Horus LV6, The Legendary Fisherman and Normal monsters under Non-Spellcasting Area are unaffected by Magic Cards, but the player...

We will need some help here. There should be something more to add and make the card as functional as always. Any thoughts?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Blowback Dragon, for example, implies that you flip the coins before you choose a card. But even before it came out, similar rulings dictated that you target at activation and flip at resolution. It's just the way Konami intended it.

The best way to understand Konami's logic is to conform your logic to theirs, instead of trying to apply your own logic.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
but see the difference here is that our rulings are a bit different from that of konami's rulings.

just like the case of fake trap stoping hfd and so on.

see by our rulings, if you hfd can you activate fake trap to save your other sets?

i belive you cannot.

also, the text on some of our cards are different aswell.

Black tyranno in japan says, that "when the only monsters on your opponents side of the field are face down defense monsters then you can attack directly "

Ours states that "when the only cards on the field are face down defense..." that means that our black tyranno is weaker beacause you can set a spell or trap and kill off the effect of black tyranno in your opponents side of the field.

big big big difference here.

when we go by rulings lets stick to the rulings given to us by UDE. because like i mention our cards happen to have different effect than what they should have.

lets not mention "card of sanctity"
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
krazykidpsx said:
see by our rulings, if you hfd can you activate fake trap to save your other sets?

i belive you cannot.
Click to expand...

Yes, you can. (well, your Set Traps at least. Spells go bye bye).

Black tyranno in japan says, that "when the only monsters on your opponents side of the field are face down defense monsters  then you can attack directly "

Ours states that "when the only cards on the field are face down defense..." that means that our black tyranno is weaker beacause you can set a spell or trap and kill off the effect of black tyranno in your opponents side of the field.
Click to expand...

Actually, I am 95% certain that Black Tyranno does say cards in Japanese as well. It was just mistranslated on some sites which leads to the confusion.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
so for the tyranno there is a possibilty that it says cards and not monsters. Ill hold you on that one, when i ever find out a exact translation of the card. lol

but for the fake trap, i didnt know about that, like i heard about it but i didnt know it actaully worked like that.

what about against heavy storm? would it result in the same situation?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Fake Trap will protect all Trap Cards from effects that destroy Trap Cards (or Spell and Trap Cards) regardless of the number of cards being destroyed. So it will protect Traps from Heavy Storm, A Wingbeat of a Giant Dragon, MST, etc.. Note that you must show the Trap Card(s) to your opponent to verify.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Dlanaan said:
Fake Trap will protect all Trap Cards from effects that destroy Trap Cards (or Spell and Trap Cards) regardless of the number of cards being destroyed. So it will protect Traps from Heavy Storm, A Wingbeat of a Giant Dragon, MST, etc.. Note that you must show the Trap Card(s) to your opponent to verify.
Click to expand...

Just so noone is confused here or thinks the wrong thing.

"Fake Trap" can only be used to protect your traps when your OPPONENT uses a spell/trap/effect monster to destroy 1 or more traps on your side of the field meaning you can't use something like "Heavy Storm" and chain "Fake Trap" thinking you will protect your traps from being detroyed.

- A
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Raijinili said:
The best way to understand Konami's logic is to conform your logic to theirs, instead of trying to apply your own logic.
Click to expand...

This makes a lot of things clear. This statement should be an official rule for all judges. :lol:

Then, things continue as normal. Horus LV6 , Legendary Fisherman and company can continue laughing at the swords. :D
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
krazykidpsx said:
but see the difference here is that our rulings are a bit different from that of konami's rulings.

just like the case of fake trap stoping hfd and so on.

see by our rulings, if you hfd can you activate fake trap to save your other sets?

i belive you cannot.

also, the text on some of our cards are different aswell.

Black tyranno in japan says, that "when the only monsters on your opponents side of the field are face down defense monsters then you can attack directly "

Ours states that "when the only cards on the field are face down defense..." that means that our black tyranno is weaker beacause you can set a spell or trap and kill off the effect of black tyranno in your opponents side of the field.

big big big difference here.

when we go by rulings lets stick to the rulings given to us by UDE. because like i mention our cards happen to have different effect than what they should have.

lets not mention "card of sanctity"
Click to expand...

I know people have already replied, but let's get things straight. Neither of those rulings are different between America and Japan, and Card of Sanctity has not been released in Japan. Even if it would be, it would match the English card in text.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Swords, Fake Trap, now Card of Sanctity...

The Swords question has been answered. Feel free to start another thread for other topics, since this one is now locked.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top