Tributing Panther Warrior

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This question came up at at another forum and...well...I have a little more respect for the opinions here, so I thought I'd bring it up. We love debate here anyway. ;)

Obviously Panther Warrior cannot tribute itself and then attack because it would no longer be on the field. But can it tribute itself just because? Might make a difference. Might not. But that's the kind of questions we like around here.

Also, what's Panther Warrior's effect, Continuous or Multi-Trigger? I thought Ignition as first but then, I can't think of another Ignition Effect that can (or has to) be activated during the battle phase.

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It would seem to me that you could Tribute Panther Warrior with his effect "just because" but that's just a guess on my part. The wording would lead me to believe you can, anyone else?

Ignition would have been my first guess as well, but you bring up a good point with it activating in the battle phase.

I'm just speculating, hopefully someone with more knowledge on the subject(s) can shine some light here.
 
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This is just a guess as well but my thinking is, if you can tribute Cannon Soldier for his own effect why not Panther Warrior?

Why would you want to do that? Need to special summon Giganties? Rock Spirit? Need your field cleared to use Cyber Dragon or The Fiend Megacyber?

*EDIT disclaimer* This post is early morning non-coherent and off the top of my head drivel....those taking it to have valid meaning should first seek the consultation of someone more awake.
 
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John Danker said:
This is just a guess as well but my thinking is, if you can tribute Cannon Soldier for his own effect why not Panther Warrior?
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Well the fact that the resolution of Cannon Soldier's effect would still do something even when you tribute him whereas Panther Warrior's effect becomes meaningless if you were to tribute him may come into it. Kind of like how you can't activate a spell card if it will do nothing (Dark Hole on an empty field). As to whether such restrictions apply to monster effects I think they do as you can't use Tribe Infecting Virus's effect, naming a type which is not on the field. So I imagine you can't tribute Panther Warrior for its own effect either.
 
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There's just no way I can see a case where Panther Warrior's effect can be used on itself. Cannon Soldier, sure, because it's only inflicting effect damage. Panther Warrior is "expressly" offering a monster so that "he" can attack.

Now maybe, in the ridiculous world that is Yugioh Rulings, there could be some inane reason where the powers that be decide that you can do it "Just Because", but I really don't see where looking for the reason why you can't, gives this monster a reason why you "should". What would be the purpose of tributing himself??? I'm no expert, but I'd really like to know what kind of advantage would be gained by doing so....
 
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Both of those monsters activate their effect during the Battle Step, which is still in the Battle Phase. And yes, the are Ignition Effects because you have to chose to use them, as they do not automatically trigger once the Battle Phase is entered.
 
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John Danker said:
This is just a guess as well but my thinking is, if you can tribute Cannon Soldier for his own effect why not Panther Warrior?

Why would you want to do that? Need to special summon Giganties? Rock Spirit? Need your field cleared to use Cyber Dragon or The Fiend Megacyber?

*EDIT disclaimer* This post is early morning non-coherent and off the top of my head drivel....those taking it to have valid meaning should first seek the consultation of someone more awake.
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Because the tribute is a cost to declare an attack, and if you try to tribute Panther Warrior himself, you technically can't declare an attack. It's like the whole, "you can't activate an effect if it's known that you won't do anything." arguement.

Theoretically, you should be able to, but the difference here between him and Cannon Soldier is the type of effect.

The JPN ruling as far as i know, is that you can't.

Also, Panther Warrior's effect is not Ignition, it is simply a Non-Maintenance cost to declare an attack. You can't chain to it.
 
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novastar said:
Because the tribute is a cost to declare an attack, and if you try to tribute Panther Warrior himself, you technically can't declare an attack. It's like the whole, "you can't activate an effect if it's known that you won't do anything." arguement.
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But Insect Queen's ruling says that Pinch Hopper will not miss its timing if tributed for Insect Queen's effect.

Which might lead me to believe that you declare the attack then tribute the monster.

(As if the tribute was performed before the attack was declared Pinch Hopper should miss its timing, right? )

Actually i'd like to get the mechanics explained on the board, as there is another situation i'm waiting on:
(Can you tribute TER to attack with Panther Warrior?)
 
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I see where you are going with this, as in the case of a Tribute Summon Peten would miss timing. The difference might be in the actual process of declaring an attack vs. summoning.

Choose the attacker and defender -> then the cost is paid -> attack becomes declared (but this is not an event on its own).

Summoning from hand on the other hand seems to be more of a 3 stage process. Choose the Monster to summon -> determine cost -> summon the monster

Since summoning is an event on its own, it cuts into the timing for Optionals.

Odd indeed... i personally don't know because i definately can see both sides.
 
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