Two of the most commonly overlooked requirements in yuigoh..

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Nobleman of Crossout
Destroy 1 face-down monster and remove it from play. If the monster is a Flip Effect Monster, both players must check their respective Decks and remove from play all monsters with the same name as the destroyed monster. Then shuffle the Decks.

Nobleman of Extermination

Destroy 1 face-down Spell or Trap Card and remove it from play. If the card is a Trap Card, both players must check their respective Decks and remove all cards of the same name from play. Then shuffle the Decks.

How many times do players say "I don't play that." and not shuffle their decks? I had just recently noticed this when I noticed how a lot of the time you will nobleman a magicain of faith. You have used yours and just noblemaned your opponents, so why search the decks for other copies that aren't there? Answer: mechanics. It is not an option. If the monster is a flip effect, or the card is a trap, done and done. I understand not bothering to look through the deck in situations such as this, but shuffle still.

Any other thoughts on this?
 
Because people are too lazy. Ever since I started using a certain Trap Card and read the rulings about Deck Searching in the UDE Judge Lists forums, I am now content on whenever and however possible to search the contents of their Deck whenever such an effect like that happens. Even if the card is restricted you still have to do it for Nobleman of Crossout if it hit both cards. Both players do right? Or just the player who got hit by it?
 
Tiso said:
Because people are too lazy. Ever since I started using a certain Trap Card and read the rulings about Deck Searching in the UDE Judge Lists forums, I am now content on whenever and however possible to search the contents of their Deck whenever such an effect like that happens. Even if the card is restricted you still have to do it for Nobleman of Crossout if it hit both cards. Both players do right? Or just the player who got hit by it?
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Both players do it.

its for fairness of the game.

heck maybe you find something one of the judges who deck checked that player earlier on didnt find.

you never know. and again this is a kids game half the time they will be to lazy or unknowledgeable.
 
well i can agree about the people being lazy and not wanting to shuffle their deck but i think there are more people like me who don't know that u had to shuffle it if it was a flip effect monster or trap card (i just found out last week)
 
Well they state it on the cards themselves. Going into a Deck is almost is always going to end up with a shuffle result unless stated otherwise. I just think it is because people are not aware of the inner workings of the game or just do not care. How many people have never questioned to look in the hand or Deck after using Spell Vanishing? What about using Deck Devastation Virus? I think from now on whenever you can, you should if you are allowed to. Although do not think take forever looking at the contents of their Deck. The one thing I disagree on Kevin Tewart with is that you SHOULD be allowed to know cards your opponent is using while you go through Deck. Taking a second to read the effect of a card and so on should not be a bad thing.
 
Taking a second to read the effect of a card and so on should not be a bad thing.
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Absolutely not! What is the purpose of revealing the deck to the opponent if they don't get to look through it thoroughly?
 
Tiso said:
Well they state it on the cards themselves. Going into a Deck is almost is always going to end up with a shuffle result unless stated otherwise. I just think it is because people are not aware of the inner workings of the game or just do not care. How many people have never questioned to look in the hand or Deck after using Spell Vanishing? What about using Deck Devastation Virus? I think from now on whenever you can, you should if you are allowed to. Although do not think take forever looking at the contents of their Deck. The one thing I disagree on Kevin Tewart with is that you SHOULD be allowed to know cards your opponent is using while you go through Deck. Taking a second to read the effect of a card and so on should not be a bad thing.
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one thing is throughly going through and another thing is taking your sweet time [ stalling the game ] lol.

also, did you know in Magic you are allowed to take notes during a game?

lol to bad you cant do that in Yu-Gi-Oh! becuase they state it as a form of cheeting.
 
That gives you too much knowledge of their deck. Good point on Spell Vanishing tiso. I didn't catch that one. Then again, I don't think I have ever run/run into it. EVER.

Do I hear a second for my nomination? Thanks for that Jason_C.

I believe in those cases, if it is NoE, look for trap cards, NoC look for monster cards. It should not even take 20 seconds to verify a nobleman effect through the entire deck. If it does, your looking too closely. But it still should be done.
 
There's no such thing as "too close". When your opponent reveals their deck to you, that means their deck is now YOUR KNOWLEDGE. You can sit their and look at it for as long as is necessary. If they've got a 5,000 card deck, well you can read it until the end of the match if you want to. As long as you're not just stalling (i.e. as long as you are, in fact, doing something), then you can look for as long as is necessary. There's no pushy.
 
Well Kevin said at least take 15 seconds, although he said that was not a definite number. It is still my priority to check whatever cards my opponent has. That does not mean that I sit there reading every card left and right especially when I should be looking for a specific Monster Card or a Trap Card.
 
Tiso said:
Well Kevin said at least take 15 seconds, although he said that was not a definite number. It is still my priority to check whatever cards my opponent has. That does not mean that I sit there reading every card left and right especially when I should be looking for a specific Monster Card or a Trap Card.
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becuase its the way to be fair about it.

there is no specific number but you should be doing what your doing and shouldnt take for ever doing so.

imagine playing and the game goes into overtime because of this.

it would oviously make somebody mad. not me though. lol
 
Well the game would go into overtime if duels were long and intense and that is not even mentioning the fact you HAVE to state the Phases and your moves in a loud and clear voice. I honestly doubt even Kevin believes people should do this.
 
ricencracker said:
well i can agree about the people being lazy and not wanting to shuffle their deck but i think there are more people like me who don't know that u had to shuffle it if it was a flip effect monster or trap card (i just found out last week)
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Honestly I thnk its that most people don't know its mandatory. In casual play or a local level I'll let it go, but this poses a question for me. If a person "forgets" to shuffle and two turns later thier opponent calls Judge, would that issue a Match Loss for them, because it would probably issue a game loss for them, but since it was done for two turns it would've issued a game loss for both turns. I have seen this done before when a person didn't bring thier V-Lord back for two turns, and the player recieved a double game loss.
 
Can the tournament duelist get a judge or some sort of TO to look thru the deck instead?
Thru my own personal experience I had similar problems in official and unofficial duels, when explaining the difference between the owner discarding at random, and me selecting a card from my opponents hand (easier of the two).
 
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There's no such thing as "too close". When your opponent reveals their deck to you, that means their deck is now YOUR KNOWLEDGE. You can sit their and look at it for as long as is necessary. If they've got a 5,000 card deck, well you can read it until the end of the match if you want to. As long as you're not just stalling (i.e. as long as you are, in fact, doing something), then you can look for as long as is necessary. There's no pushy.
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Yes, there is such a thing as looking at an opponent's deck too closely when searching through their deck to insure all copies have been removed. The purpose of the search is to insure all copies have been removed, not for either opponent to become well aquainted with the contents of the deck.

A quick search without checking to see what each card consists of is what is intended. If a player is taking their sweet time seaching your deck call a judge over.
 
Of course the amount of time should be dependant on the effect.

An effect like Vampire Lord should be given the least amount of time if the opponent claims to have no cards left of that type, as it takes very little time to check the colour of a card. (even colour blind people should be able to tell the difference between those monsters spells and traps. Although effect monsters and normal monsters might be difficult to tell the difference)

You do not have any right to read the text of a card in that case, nor count the stars, nor check the attributes of each monster etc...

However an effect that special summons a monster to the field might take longer. As when you find a mosnter with the required stats attribute, you still ahve to read its text to see if it can be special summoned or not.

However if you're searching for the a monster to special summon you have no right to be reading the card text of the spells and traps in the deck.
 
cameron2010 said:
Can the tournament duelist get a judge or some sort of TO to look thru the deck instead?
Thru my own personal experience I had similar problems in official and unofficial duels, when explaining the difference between the owner discarding at random, and me selecting a card from my opponents hand (easier of the two).
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Rules on the card state player. not to mention the card it selfs mentions about player.
 
i think its a fine thing to do as long as your quick about it, it really should take no more than thirty second to check if your oppenent has any of said card, or anything they should have, imo anyways and i think 90.0% of the time you will(at least i find this) know what a card you see does anyways(granted i have a odd memory for remembering these things)
 
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