When did some cards changed their descriptions?

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Ledah

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I was playing the other day and some odd scenario came up....


Gravekeeper's Servant + Macro Cosmos = Can't attack?

I first argued that this is wrong... but when I checked the netrep's page... It totally proved me wrong

:p

Anyway...

Gravekeeper's Servant effect has changed, or at least it's "wording" has changed.

And now I am thinking "Why didn't this came up with banisher of light?" Same effect, same condition... So it also must be true for that monster (And other ones with similar effects), right?

On another note...

When conditions of the game change (Like having Macro Cosmos), and you activate a card that says : "By sending one card from your hand, field, etc. to the GRAVEYARD such and such happens..."

You can't activate such card, right?

Thanks in advanced for any input.
 
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Gravekeeper's Servant + Banisher of the Light = can't attack.

As far as I know, Gravekeeper's Servant has always been the way it is. The trick is that Gravekeeper's Servant says to send a card from the top of your Deck specifically to your Graveyard. If you can't do all of that (from top of Deck, to Graveyard), then you can't declare an attack.

Macro Cosmos/Banisher of the Light and others like it prevent cards from going to the Graveyard. Therefore you automatically can't fulfil all of Gravekeeper's Servant's effect, therefore you automatically can't declare any attacks.

If any card specifically says "from <somewhere> to the Graveyard", then they won't work with Macro Cosmos or another card that prevents cards from going to the Graveyard. The entire statement needs to be fulfilled, but it can't be. Those cards therefore cannot be activated.



In short, you're right on all accounts.
 
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[info]New Text: Unless your opponent sends 1 card from the top of his/her Deck to the Graveyard, he/she cannot declare an attack.

Old Text: Each time your opponent attacks with a monster, the opponent must send 1 card from the top of his/her Deck to the Graveyard. [/info]
Yes, Gravekeeper's Servant was errated to better reflect how the card is supposed to function. I'd say about 50 to 60% of Yu-Gi-Oh! has updated, errata-ed text by now. So you'll run into that quite often.

You right, it is the same for Banisher of Light and similar effects. It's just that if there's a ruling that covers a particular set of circumstances, you won't find it in the rulings at every potential instance of that circumstance. It would make the rulings library twice, may even three times as large as it already is. But you will find it at the most common instance of that circumstance or at the central card where that circumstance would take place, and it's expected that you'd extrapolate accordingly for other cards with similar effects.

As for your last question, no, just because Macro is on the field doesn't mean you can't activate a card like Gravekeeper's Servant. GS isn't trying to send anything to the Graveyard. It's setting up a condition to where a card must be discarded to perform another action, but it doesn't actually send anything to the Graveyard with it's effect. Macro Doesn't have any bearing on a card that sets up conditions. It only has bearings on effects that are distinctly trying to send something to Graveyard, and GS doesn't do anything like that upon activation. The only thing you can't do with GS is fullfill the conditions it sets up, but the condition still exists, and if you can't fullfil it, you can't attack.
 
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No, no, no...

I think I did not explain myself well on the last example...

I did not mean to activate the grave spell...

I meant something like a cost (Ex. Spell Shield type 8 second effect. or Future fusion)

And lastly...

Darn...

I was hoping I was way way way off...

One last note

Why can't I find Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast in netrep...

That card has also been changed :p

It is now a phantom beast...or at least it is trated as one (I did not know that)
 
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Oh, for cost effects, then that's different. If you can't fulfill the conditions of the cost, then you can't pay for the effect. You wouldn't be able to activate them.

Is Chimera something new? I've never seen it before.
 
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That was exactly what I was asking for...
If I cant pay exactly as the card says... then the effect would fizzle or I could not activate such effect. Thanks...

And as for the other one...

It's that thing that you use to fuse gazelle and berfomet...

But never mind...

I don't think that those cards even exist in the english format...

Sooooooo....

Never mind. (I think that is why they don't exist)
 
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You cannot activate a card (or card effect) if you cannot pay the Cost. Simple as that.

You also cannot activate a card (or card effect) if it would do nothing, but you didn't ask about that.

Berfomet and Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast don't exist in the TCG.
 
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For Chimera, the Wikia only uses "official" names. Basically, an official English source (anime, manga, TCG, etc.) has to call it by a name for us to list it. We only use unofficial translations when there is no English name.

So far, Chimera has only been called "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast" in official sources. "Chimera the Flying Phantom Beast" is still an unoffical fan translation.
 
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I never said that it name changed...

It's just that it's effect has changed that is all... It says something like "This card is treated as a phantom beast"

Anyway we are getting way off topic :p

One last question about the grave servant...

Why does Dimensional Fissure also prevents me from attacking?

Is it because I can't determine the type of card that will go to graveyard or out of play?

And what happens if I play "Convulsion of nature" and now I see the card on top of the deck, If it is a spell or trap could I declare an attack?
 
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I wouldn't say we've gone off-topic at all, going by the title of the thread and all. In any case, I'm not finding anything that indicates that they changed the text for Flying Mythical Beast. Where did you hear about it?

The issue for Dimensional Fissure stems from what the game is aware of. The Deck, face up or face down, is an unknown quantitative to the game itself. "The game" doesn't know what's in your deck, what's face down on the field or what's in your hand unless a modifier tells it what's there. Convulsion of Nature does indeed give you an advantage as to what's in your opponent's Deck, but it's not saying anything to the game itself. It's merely modifying the position of the Deck.
 
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Chimera is a "Phantom Beast" monster because it has (in the Japanese name) the words "Phantom Beast" in its name. While it has previously been translated as "Mythical Beast" in English (in the computer games and manga/anime), when it is eventually properly released in the TCG it will be called "Chimera the Flying Phantom Beast", so that it agrees with itself being a "Phantom Beast" monster.

The card text (i.e. the effect) won't be changed or anything, because a card's name is different to its effect (and it would be so easy to change the name of a card that doesn't yet exist anyway). Take a look at Obnoxious Celtic Guard and similar cards - they're different names to what the anime says, but the anime and the TCG are not connected like that.
 
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The Wikia uses the given Video Game/Anime name, "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast", because that take priority over a fanslation (Accurate though it may be, given naming trends, since they'd have to Errata all the card involved to say "Phantom Beast", "Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts" or "Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast").
 
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I like the name "annoying celtic guardian"

:p

And Darn...

I would have thought that the counvulsion counter would actually work :p

Anyway...

I wonder why I haven't seen the "Chimera king of mythical beasts" or whatever in the english format...

It is not that horribly strong and there are support cards for a card that dosen't even exist on english format

:p

I just find it odd.
 
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Ledah said:
I wonder why I haven't seen the "Chimera king of mythical beasts" or whatever in the english format...

It is not that horribly strong and there are support cards for a card that dosen't even exist on english format
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There are? Which cards?

Or are you thinking of "Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts"? Because that ties in with the "Phantom Beast" monsters (because it is one, technically). "Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts" certainly exists in the TCG (in the Yugi Evolution Starter Deck, for one), and is the Normal Monster that fuses with Berfomet to form "Chimera the Flying Phantom Beast". Other "Phantom Beast" cards exist in the TCG as well, although not many - it's a barely supported theme.
 
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My point exactly.

It's a barely supported theme and there are cards missing :p (Like the fusion monster)

Making it even more useless... well not totally useless but not on the top used deck nonetheless.

Also I just check out a new ultimate offering (Or at least a recent one). And let me say that this one is much better worded than the first ones; now it says when does the effect activates, which is way more helpful

:p

:p
 
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