Whoa, I'm creating a topic (Q. about summoning control)

[Raijinili]

Can someone refer me to the rulings where they say:
A) A summoning by your card to your opponent's field can be treated as a summon controlled by you for the purposes of cards such as Bottomless Trap Hole.

B) A summoning by your card to your opponent's field can be treated as a summon controlled by your opponent for the purposes of cards such as Bottomless Trap Hole.

Because I was thinking about it and I just realized that one of those were wrong (sorry, no spoilers) and I wanted to make sure that they were actually supported by rulings, and not just made up by someone posting in this topic, before I questioned the ruling on the judge list.

 

[Digital Jedi]

So let me get this straight:

I am considered to Summon Lava Golem if I have or plan on activating Scapegoat this turn.

I'm not considered to summon Lava Golem if I plan on Bottomless Trap Hole-ing him in responce to the summon.

If he is summoned to my side of the field I can't Bottomless Trap Hole him becasue I am not considered to have summoned him.

If Cyber Jar is actived on a turn that I have activated Scapegoat then all my monsters that could be summoned will be sent to the Graveyard whether I control Cyber Jar or not.



Somehting here isn't right no mattter how you slice it. I just can't pinpoint it right this minute.

 

[Maruno]

I say the owner of the monster being summoned is the one to Summon it (not the controller). In this case you could Bottomless your opponent's Lava Golem begin Summoned on your side of the field, but you couldn't Bottomless your own Lava Golem going to your opponent's side of the field (so you couldn't get rid of two of their monsters and give them nothing in return).

Further, you can't Special Summon your Lava Golem to your opponent's side of the field in the same turn you activate Scapegoat. Your opponent could do it to you, though.

And the Cyber Jar ruling mentioned above by Digital is correct.

IMO.