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Player A has a face down Dark Dust Spirit,a face up Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and a face down Ceasefire

Player A draws,quickly after drawing(still in the draw phase) he activate Ceasefire,flipping Dark Dust Spirit face up,Dark Dust Spirit destroys all face up monster on the field,then on the standby phase Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys return to the field destroying all spells and traps

Is this correct?
 
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I was looking for rulings on this and found nothing to answer the following: Is the same standby phase that Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys is destroyed, the same as "the next Standby Phase"? A cursary read of SPoN's "the next standby phase" could yield the argument "not the same standby phase it was destroyed, if it was destroyed during that standby phase." Or it could read "The next available standby phase, even this same one." Anybody??
 
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No, if it was destroyed and sent to the Graveyard by an effect during your Standby Phase, then it will NOT come back that same Standby Phase. It will come back during your next Standby Phase.
 
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skey23 said:
No, if it was destroyed and sent to the Graveyard by an effect during your Standby Phase, then it will NOT come back that same Standby Phase. It will come back during your next Standby Phase.
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I thought as much, thanks. Sorry if I confused anybody, if they thought I was intimating that the original poster was talking about my senario. I just thought this would be a good thread to get that clarification.
 
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skey23 said:
Yes.

Slither's answer was correct.
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Okay, now I'm confused because I think you're ALL WRONG!!..I didn't know that you could "draw" a card, have it in your hand and then activate Ceasefire to "flip" Dark Dust Spirit, have it destroy all cards on the field, including Sacred Phoenix and have Sacred return during the "next" standby phase. The reason I state that you're ALL wrong is that Ceasefire's effect states " that flip effects are not activated at this time."

So, if that is the case- how do you destroy Sacred Phoenix?
 
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This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn that this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up. If this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up, destroy all face-up monsters on the field except this card.

i would think that it kills everything cuz ceasefire does flip it face up but thats just what i think
 
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ricencracker said:
This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn that this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up. If this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up, destroy all face-up monsters on the field except this card.

i would think that it kills everything cuz ceasefire does flip it face up but thats just what i think
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I think you need to re-read the post again. The question asked if they could activate Ceasefire during the draw phase, flipping a set Dark Dust Spirit and activating it's effect of destroying all monsters on the field. Ceasefire's effect clearly states that card effects will not activate at that time so Dark Dust Spirit does NOT get the effect of destroying all monsters.
 
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HorusMaster said:
I think you need to re-read the post again. The question asked if they could activate Ceasefire during the draw phase, flipping a set Dark Dust Spirit and activating it's effect of destroying all monsters on the field. Ceasefire's effect clearly states that card effects will not activate at that time so Dark Dust Spirit does NOT get the effect of destroying all monsters.
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When has a Trap Card with NO timing issues NOT able to be activated during the Draw Phase?

Ceasefire has no timing issues so as long as it's requirements are fullfilled it can be activated at any time during the duel (except of course the Damage Step).
 
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slither said:
When has a Trap Card with NO timing issues NOT able to be activated during the Draw Phase?

Ceasefire has no timing issues so as long as it's requirements are fullfilled it can be activated at any time during the duel (except of course the Damage Step).
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Not arguing the timing of Ceasefire's activation...I agree that it has no timing issues...I'm arguing the issue of activating Ceasefire to flip Dark Dust Spirit to get IT'S effect of destroying Sacred Phoenix. My contention is that this situation WON'T work because Ceasefire does not activate flip effects of set monsters....
 
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Dark Dust Spirit is NOT a FLIP: effect monster NOR a Flip Summon monster, none of the Spirit Monsters are, they all have another type of flip "Flipped Face-Up" effect:

This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn that this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up. If this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up, destroy all face-up monsters on the field except this card.


Meaning that they will get their effect in ANY WAY that they get flipped face-up, including via Ceasefire.
 
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slither said:
Dark Dust Spirit is NOT a FLIP: effect monster NOR a Flip Summon monster, none of the Spirit Monsters are, they all have another type of flip "Flipped Face-Up" effect:

This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn that this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up. If this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up, destroy all face-up monsters on the field except this card.


Meaning that they will get their effect in ANY WAY that they get flipped face-up, including via Ceasefire.
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I question the wording of Ceasefire then...is there a ruling defining the terminology of the card with regard to "flip effects not activating at this time" ?
 
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HorusMaster said:
I question the wording of Ceasefire then...is there a ruling defining the terminology of the card with regard to "flip effects not activating at this time" ?
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Yes you are correct Ceasefire has that clause:
Flip all face-down Defense Position monsters on the field face-up. Flip Effects are not activated at this time. Inflict 500 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points for each Effect Monster on the field.
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BUT that is referring to FLIP: effect, cards with "FLIP:" in their text. NOT Flip Summon OR Flip Face-Up, Flip Summon will not activate either but not because Ceasefire negates it BUT, because in order to activate Flip Summon effects you must do it manually.

Flip Face-Up effects WILL activate because they only need to be flipped face up.
 
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slither said:
Yes you are correct Ceasefire has that clause:


BUT that is referring to FLIP: effect, cards with "FLIP:" in their text. NOT Flip Summon OR Flip Face-Up, Flip Summon will not activate either but not because Ceasefire negates it BUT, because in order to activate Flip Summon effects you must do it manually.

Flip Face-Up effects WILL activate because they only need to be flipped face up.
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I see the point...but in this situation, Ceasefire would then only inflict 500 points of damage because Dark Dust Spirit would be the only card on the field? Or is damage calculated before the destruction of all monsters?
 
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Dark Dust Spirit is being slipped face-up by Ceasefire's resolution. Dark Dust Spirit will begin a new chain AFTER the current chain resolves. It will not destroy monsters before you can resolve Ceasefire, as no card can interrupt an effect mid-resolution.

Also, Ceasefire only affects Flip Effect Monsters. Flip Effect Monsters must have the "FLIP:" statement at the beginning of their text. If they don't, then their not Flip Effects. They simply function the same way. This is why Nightmare Penguin works well with Ceasefire and The Spell Absorbing Life
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Dark Dust Spirit is being slipped face-up by Ceasefire's resolution. Dark Dust Spirit will begin a new chain AFTER the current chain resolves. It will not destroy monsters before you can resolve Ceasefire, as no card can interrupt an effect mid-resolution.

Also, Ceasefire only affects Flip Effect Monsters. Flip Effect Monsters must have the "FLIP:" statement at the beginning of their text. If they don't, then their not Flip Effects. They simply function the same way. This is why Nightmare Penguin works well with Ceasefire and The Spell Absorbing Life
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I understand it a bit more but I think that the terminology used in the card text was vague and ambiguous. I guess that's why a lot of people have confusions based on Flip effects, flipped face up and flip summoned. A simpler and easier printing that stated " FLIP: (EFFECT) are not activated at this time" would be less confusing for Ceasefire.
 
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Point of Clarification:

Dark Dust Spirit is a TRIGGER effect monster, with an effect that is triggered if it is normal summoned or flipped face-up.

Do not confuse Dark Dust Spirit with FLIP effect monsters such as Magician of Faith. All FLIP effect monsters have FLIP: capitalized in their text.

As pointed out, Ceasefire only negates FLIP effects. I agree the text of Ceasefire should be modified slightly to at least capitalize FLIP as it is written on all FLIP effect monsters.

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Effects that start with "FLIP:" have always been referred to as flip effects. I beleive it's even defined that way in the Rulebook (though I'm too lazy to double-check right now). I don't see a need to change that.
 
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