A little issue about D Hero - Blade Master

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antilegend

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Can I activate Destiny Hero - Blade Master's effect during Damage Step? I assume so because its effect is a Multi-Trigger Spell Speed 2 effect that modifies ATK.
 
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Most effects that can be activated during the Damage Step have specific timing printed on the text. Blade Master states that it must be discarded during your opponents Battle Phase, which I would take to mean that it must be discarded at the beginning of your opponents Battle Phase.

This is not a Spell or Trap Cards activation. It's a Monster Card effect.
 
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Why would you assume it is only at the beggining of the Battle Phase? I tend to think is would be at any time during the Battle Phase except during the Damage Step.
 
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Slither, I'm assuming you meant to type "Why would it need to be confirmed that it is a multi-trigger if ...". If this assumption is wrong, this post can be deleted.

It would need to be confirmed that it is a multi-trigger because I don't see any particular reason why it could not be an ignition effect. Think about Spirit Ryu and Sinister Serpent. Or Horus LV6. Actually, there's quite a list of Ignition Effects which don't activate in the Main Phase, and as long as they say that they don't activate in the Main Phase, they don't have to be Multi-triggers.

If it's a Multi-trigger, it should be usable in the Damage Step. If Ignition, only the Battle Step (again, refer Spirit Ryu).

:edit Nice butt (in), skey. But Ignition and Multi-Trigger aren't exactly the same thing.
 
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Jason_C said:
But Ignition and Multi-Trigger aren't exactly the same thing.
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Then show me 1 (one) Mulit-Trigger effect that is NOT an Ignition Effect. Meaning you do not choose when to activate the effect (just like an Ignition Effect).
 
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skey23 said:
Then show me 1 (one) Mulit-Trigger effect that is NOT an Ignition Effect. Meaning you do not choose when to activate the effect (just like an Ignition Effect).
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I'd say that is pretty hard to do, since that is the purpose of a Multi-Trigger Effect. It STATES that you "can" activate the effect on your opponent's turn. Can means you dont have to, so I really don't see how a M-T Effect can't be a Ignition Effect as well, as your choices (there ya go, "choice") are to activate, or not to activate the effect.
 
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Last I heard, Multi-Trigger was Spell Speed 2 and Ignition was Spell Speed 1. Ignition was the new name for "Cost Effect", since not all Cost Effects actually had costs. Are you saying Konami is now changing the definition of "Ignition Effect" to include all manually-activated effects? That would leave only Ignition, Continuous, and Trigger, no?
 
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I did not say you said that. :dur What I said was that you said that the definition of Ignition effect had been broadened since I last heard of it. As I recall, it is impossible for an effect to be both Multi-Trigger and Ignition. You seem to be saying it is possible. Which would suggest that the definition of "Ignition Effect" is now "Any effect which is manually activated by the card's controller". Is this correct?
 
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Jason_C said:
I did not say you said that. :dur What I said was that you said that the definition of Ignition effect had been broadened since I last heard of it. As I recall, it is impossible for an effect to be both Multi-Trigger and Ignition. You seem to be saying it is possible. Which would suggest that the definition of "Ignition Effect" is now "Any effect which is manually activated by the card's controller". Is this correct?
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He didn't say that (at least not from what I understand), skey was stating that a manually activated monster effect in your opponent's turn is a Multi-Trigger effect.
 
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Ok, let's play the definition game...lol.

Ignition Effect - Any effect that requires the controller to manually activate the effect. Cards include, but are not limited to "Cannon Soldier", "Tribe-Infecting Virus", "Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude", etc...

Multi-Trigger Effect - Any Igntion Effect that is allowed to be used during the opponent's turn. Cards include, but are not limited to "Strike Ninja", "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8", "Destiny Hero - Blade Master", etc...

Looky what I found!....

http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/pdf/rulebook_v05.pdf
 
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Ignition Effect
You can use this type of effect just by declaring its activation. You can normally activate this type of effect only during your Main Phases. (See Turn Structure, page 24) There are some Ignition Effects that have a cost to activate, like discarding cards from your hand or Tributing your monster. Because you can choose when to activate this type of effect, it's easy to create combos with them.

This is the definition of Ignition Effect, per the Rule Book. As you can see, it doesnt say Igntion Effects are ONLY activated during a Main Phase. It says "Normally" they are, which implies that "Only" would be restrictive to the Main Phase.
 
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Ignition Effect - Any effect that requires the controller to manually activate the effect.
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Thank you, that is what I was not aware of. I had been under the impression that an Ignition Effect only referred to Spell Speed 1 manual activation effects.

By the way, I am now 100% convinced you lied to me the last time you told me how fast you type. You must do like 200 - 300 a minute.
 
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I have to bring this question back...cause it seems like it got slightly sidetracked.

Does Blade Master have the ability to be activated during the Damage Step of the Battle Phase, or only before Damage Calculation?
 
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