Agent of Creation - Venus and SJWC2006

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Aparently, at the Shonen Jump World Championship 2006, Kenji Watanabe won using a variation of the Reversal Quiz gambit that involved multiple uses of his The Agent of Creatio - Venus (see below). Now the article in Shonen Jump #11, p.322 (see below-er) states that he only had two monster cards (it implies that they were both Venus), but let's assume that one is Mystical Shine Ball. In order to pull this off by the rulings we have for Venus, Watanabe-san would need to pay 500LP, Summon MSB, send it back to his Deck, SS it again, ad nauseum. I don't think that is what happened. It seems that in Japan, one could activate the effect of Venus without needing to summon a Mystical Shine Ball. How it that so? If this is the case, we have a problem with our rulings, do we not? I wanted to build this deck once, but wasn't allowed for this very ruling...had to go a different dirrection (several tries), never came up with one that worked all that well.


Moreover, Watanabe-san used a card called Excavation of Mage Stones, a card we have yet to see. So I ask you- How can we even hope to compete Internationally with different rules and the opponent's using cards we have yet to see? Learn Japanese and study up on their rules, I guess. BTW our Austin Kulman still managed 14th!! Good job Austin! Onegaishimasu.


The Agent of Creation - Venus
Effect Monster (Fairy / LIGHT / 3 Stars / ATK 1600 / DEF 0)
By paying 500 Life Points, select 1 "Mystical Shine Ball" from your hand or Deck, and Special Summon it to your side of the field.

"¢ You cannot activate "The Agent of Creation - Venus"' effect if there are no "Mystical Shine Balls" in your hand or Deck.


The article from Shonen Jump #11, p. 322
"Reversal Quiz" was one of the three key cards in his deck. The other two were "The Agent of Creation - Venus" and "Fuhma Shuriken." There are only two monsters in the entire deck, so when he activated "Reasoning," he was sure to get "The Agent of Creation - Venus." Then he used "Excavation of Mage Stones" to get the other key cards back from his Graveyard. He continued using "Venus"'s effect to lower his Life Points down to 500 and Set "Fuhma Shuriken." Then "Reversal Quiz" swapped their Life Points and the "Shuriken" finished off Gilberti.
 
it says tha he used Venus's effect to put his LP at five hundred. so that means that he did have to pay Five hundred, per MSB. then switched LP with the opponent witht he card called reversal quiz.
 
But how is that possible if he only had two monsters (both evidently Venuses), since Venus' effect only costs 500LP each SS? He would need to activate 1 Venus' effect 15x to get to 500LP remaining. That's a lot of... er, MSBs.
 
How does one know the contents of one's Deck? Seems to me like this would work if the player kept "failing to find" a Mystical Shine Ball to Special Summon. The ruling is suspect, in that the contents of a Deck is unknown. So how can said contents (or lack of one particular card therein) restrict the activation of an effect? The Deck List is not a game mechanic.


"Excavation of Mage's Stone" is a Normal Spell Card: "Discard 2 cards from your hand. Add 1 Spell Card in your Graveyard to your hand."
 
If I'm not mistaken...'our' ruling does not match what Japan has. In fact, that ruling for "Venus" contradicts just about every other ruling we have for cards that involve searching your deck.

As Maruno pointed out, the contents of your deck are unknown, EVEN when you know all copies of a certain card are no longer in there.

I think somebody with JERP access could verify for us...
 
The article from Shonen Jump #11 said:
Then he used "Excavation of Mage Stones" to get the other key cards back from his Graveyard.
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If this so-called Excavation of Mage Stones does what it's implying here, then there's probably not an issue. It's possible the article left something out. It's possible that he activates Rversal Quiz twice. That would give him four shots at summoning Shine Balls. His other two monsters would have to be Shine Balls.
 
That would give him four shots at summoning Shine Balls. His other two monsters would have to be Shine Balls.
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He has no Shine Balls in his deck.

It said he had only two monsters, ensuring he would always summon Venus with Reasoning. That means he had two Venus, nothing else.
 
<Beat to the enter button, yet again>

Actually, the article says he only has a total of two monsters, we know that one of them is Venus. I assume that the article's phrasing of "he was sure to get 'The Agent of Creation - Venus'" means that the other one is Venus. But even if it a Ball, 15xs? I'm with Skey, I think that in Japan, they just allow the search. Hmmm.
 
I would find it odd that they would allow you to activate a card effect that, technically, is not a search card. But even so, does the article indicate where his Life Poits were when he did activate the effect. Even with one Shine Ball he woulds still be able to manage the effect twice. Also, does the article say "Excavation of Mage Stones" retrived "key cards" or "key card"?
 
It's also possible that the article may have left the word 'different' out. He only had 2 'different' monsters. Once being "Venus", the other being the "Shine Balls".
 
skey23 said:
It's also possible that the article may have left the word 'different' out. He only had 2 'different' monsters. Once being "Venus", the other being the "Shine Balls".
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Only if the article were totally and utterly wrong could that be the case.
when he activated "Reasoning," he was sure to get "The Agent of Creation - Venus."
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If that quote is even close to accurate, he must not have had any Shine Balls.
 
Digital Jedi said:
What dillema? Venus summons Shine Balls from the hand or Deck.
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Well now that makes sense.

Of course, it would involve him having Venus in the deck, Reasoning and the only Shine Ball in his hand, along with of course Mining for Mage Stones (I like that name better:p).

I'd really like to have seen how he managed this duel.
 
How would "Mining for Mage Stones" actually fit in with the multiple usage of The Agent of Creation - Venus effect? All I see is it's a way to retrieve Reversal Quiz or Fuhma Shuriken at the end if it's in the Graveyard.
 
That's why I ask if the article actually used the word "key cards"; plural. Cause it makes it sound like he pulled more then one card for "Excavation of Mage Stones"
 
The quote from Shonen Jump is exact to the punctuation. The title of the snippit is: Here is a description of Kenji Watanabe's Deck:

the mini-artcle follows exactly as quoted.

The top four duelists were presented with a card called "Testament of the Arcane Lords." Second through fourth place got "Armament of the Lethal Lords." Whatever those are.


Ohhh, hold on. Just re-examined the preceding article.....This was for the Video Game!!!! okay, that explains why the rules don't work!! Gee, sorry for the mix-up. Why did they mention Austin in this?? that's confusing. Okay. Dario Longo (Italy) beat out King Hang Shum for the TCG side.... no mention as to their decks.

**Looks quickly around---Ninjitsu-Art of Shamefull disappearance** **Poof!!**
 
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