Behemoth & Returning Beasts

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Seems like an easy one, but the question came up.

If you tribute summon Behemoth by sacrificing 2 beast type monsters from your side of the field, can the two beast type monsters you return to your hand from the grave be the ones that you just sacked?

I said yes since the sacrificing of the monsters is done as a cost and they are already in the graveyard when Behemoth's effect activates, so they should be legal targets.

Any opinions to the contrary?

Behemoth the King of All Animals
Effect Monster (Beast / EARTH / 7 Stars / ATK 2700 / DEF 1500)
This card can be Normal Summoned or Set with 1 Tribute Monster. In that case, the original ATK of this card becomes 2000. When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can return from your Graveyard to the owner's hand a number of Beast-Type monsters equal to the number of Tributed monsters.
 
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The question that came up for us was if there is only one beast type monster in the graveyard when two monster were tributed for Behemoth The King of all Animals can the player return the one beast type monster in their graveyard?

The card text of Behemoth The King of all Animals states ".....you can return to the owner's hand a number of Beast-Type monster equal to the number of tributed monsters.
 
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Sounds like it'd follow the ruling for Greenkappa/Dark Cat With White Tail, since those cards specify a specific number (although the specific number for Behemoth is determined by the player when they decide how many monsters to tribute in order to summon Behemoth).
 
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babyarm said:
Sounds like it'd follow the ruling for Greenkappa/Dark Cat With White Tail, since those cards specify a specific number (although the specific number for Behemoth is determined by the player when they decide how many monsters to tribute in order to summon Behemoth).
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I'd have to agree with you here. It doesn't say "up to" the number...UDE/Konami is usually pretty specific about those kinds of effects. I'd be willing to bet that's going to screw a lot of people up though.
 
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Behemoth the King of All Animals
Effect Monster (Beast / EARTH / 7 Stars / ATK 2700 / DEF 1500)
This card can be Normal Summoned or Set with 1 Tribute Monster. In that case, the original ATK of this card becomes 2000. When this card is Tribute Summoned successfully, you can return from your Graveyard to the owner's hand a number of Beast-Type monsters equal to the number of Tributed monsters.
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I don't understand the "to the owner's hand" part, since there there is no possible way you have your opponent's cards in your graveyard...:D
Anyways...
 
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I think there's a card from the anime called Foolish Burial that allows you to put one of your cards in your opponent's graveyard. I don't know for sure if it's been printed as a card or not (in Japan), but you never know.

EDIT: Never mind, it's out in Japan, but it allows you to search for a card from your own deck and put it in your graveyard.
 
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DimensionalWarrior said:
I don't understand the "to the owner's hand" part, since there there is no possible way you have your opponent's cards in your graveyard...:D
Anyways...
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You forget that while you may not have control of your opponents monsters in your Graveyard, YOU CAN have control of your opponents monster by using "Exchange", which was recently made available thanks to Dark Beginnings 1.

If you control the King of Animals by using Exchange, then it would be the amount of monsters you tributed to summon him to the field, even though you are not the "original" owner.
 
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The only question that I wonder about when using Behemoth, myself though, is if you use The Trojan Horse for the tributes to summon him, do you just get one, or do you get two beasts back? I haven't checked the official rules yet on the card to see if this is already answered.
 
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I believe it has been ruled on with the use of those type of tributes. In that way, you can choose the attack power, 2000 or 2700, but you can only return one monster.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I believe it has been ruled on with the use of those type of tributes. In that way, you can choose the attack power, 2000 or 2700, but you can only return one monster.
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Yeah, it has been, I just checked. :) Too bad though, might've been a good way to get an extra card.
 
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skochtape1 said:
Trojan Horse has it's optimum use with this card, seeing how you sack one....it counts as two, and you get two back from the graveyard.
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If you sac Trojan Horse, you only get one beast back from the graveyard.

From the official rulings for Behemoth:

"¢ If "Trojan Horse" is Tributed to Tribute Summon "Behemoth the King of All Animals", you still only return 1 monster from the Graveyard to your hand, because it's the same number as the number of monsters you Tributed to perform the Summon.
 
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skochtape1 said:
Trojan Horse has it's optimum use with this card, seeing how you sack one....it counts as two, and you get two back from the graveyard.
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From the UDE FAQ:

"If "Trojan Horse" is Tributed to Tribute Summon "Behemoth the King of All Animals", you still only return 1 monster from the Graveyard to your hand, because it's the same number as the number of monsters you Tributed to perform the Summon."

Sorry.
 
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John Danker said:
The question that came up for us was if there is only one beast type monster in the graveyard when two monster were tributed for Behemoth The King of all Animals can the player return the one beast type monster in their graveyard?

The card text of Behemoth The King of all Animals states ".....you can return to the owner's hand a number of Beast-Type monster equal to the number of tributed monsters.
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Your question has been answered in the Judge's List in the thread [judge-yu] Behemoth The King of All Animals.
 
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I now have a question myself. If Behemoth is successfully Tribute Summoned by 2 Beast-type monsters, will he ONLY get this effect to return those 2 Beast if he is summoned face-up, or even if he is Set?

I would go with only a successful Tribute Summon face-up.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
I now have a question myself. If Behemoth is successfully Tribute Summoned by 2 Beast-type monsters, will he ONLY get this effect to return those 2 Beast if he is summoned face-up, or even if he is Set?

I would go with only a successful Tribute Summon face-up.
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I'd have to go with that, too. Generaly speking cards have no effect face-down and you would have to show your opponent what card was set in order for you to get his effect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it against the rules to show your opponent your face-down set even if it's to his advantage?
 
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Tribute Summons are face-up.

Usually high level monster even though there is no term "Tribute Set" usually just state Set, and the controller should already the monster required to tribute for Set.
 
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