big burn & pot of avarice...

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cuzwbd

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can anyone tell me if big burn will work when activated in response to pot of avarice???
upperdeck site under big burn says ... targets monsters...
and under pot says pot targets....
why / why not...
we were at 2 different tournaments and got 2 different rulings from 2 different judges....
boy are we confused...
 
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Even though it may not "seem" like it, Pot of Avarice targets.

You do not have to be specific with the monsters you select, but you must select 5, not 4 and not 6, so that means you must specifically choose a predetermined number of monsters rather than type or attribute.

The monsters you remove are not a cost for the effect of Pot of Avarice. It is part of the overall effect, so Big Burn would be a legal activation.
 
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Umm..I'd like to clarify one thing about what masterwoo0 stated. You DO have to be specific with which monsters you are choosing. That's the whole meaning behind targeting. If I didn't have to be specific, then when my opponent chained "Disappear" to my "Pot of Avarice" I could say I wasn't going to pick that monster anyway and choose another one, which would mean it wasn't a targeting effect. But it IS a targeting effect...lol.
 
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skey23 said:
Umm..I'd like to clarify one thing about what masterwoo0 stated. You DO have to be specific with which monsters you are choosing. That's the whole meaning behind targeting. If I didn't have to be specific, then when my opponent chained "Disappear" to my "Pot of Avarice" I could say I wasn't going to pick that monster anyway and choose another one, which would mean it wasn't a targeting effect. But it IS a targeting effect...lol.
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Indeed, look at the second ruling Pot of Avarice has:

"If any of the 5 monsters targeted by "Pot of Avarice" are removed from the Graveyard before its effect resolves, for example by "Disappear" or "Call of the Haunted", then the entire effect of "Pot of Avarice" Disappears. You do not shuffle the other monsters into your Deck and you do not draw 2 cards."
 
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Another "missing the point" clarification....

When I say you do not have to be specific, I mean, "do I have to pick 5 Pyro type Monsters vs 3 Earth and 2 Water?"

No.

I thought I made that clear. I think I read enough of the ruling to see that Pot of Avarice will not resolve if one of the monsters you selected was removed before Pot of Avarice resolved.
 
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From how I've understood cards that target other cards in the Graveyard is that you declare what your target or targets is.

For example:

Turn Player activates Premature Burial and declares he's targetting Sangan for Premature Burial's effect. Player B chains Call of the Haunted and declares he's targetting The End of Anubis.

Another example:

Turn Player activates Tributed to the Doomed. He discards Jinzo to target Player B's Chaos Command Magician. Player B chains Magic Drain.

Declaring what you're targetting is another mechanic of how target effects work. It isn't a new one, but it has been like that for quite some time. Not declaring what your targets are makes the card look like a non-targetting effect. We don't need that kind of thinking.

Although, that was just an opinion I wanted to share.
 
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