BTH vs. Guardian Sphinx

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HorusMaster

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I had Guardian Sphinx face down on the field and flip it face up during my turn and my opponent activated Bottomless Trap Hole. My question is- does the effect of Guardian activate sending all the cards on the field back to the players hand and/or could I take priority and flip him back face down as allowed by the card effect?
 
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dark_ruler_hades said:
Not exactly......
I put the chain opportunities in to explain when u could chain(eg BTH and Divine Wrath)
ONLY THE FIRST EFFECT IS PRIORTY
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Actually priority involves the switching between player's in order to activate something, so priority would not only be the first effect, priority would be every time you or your opponent gets a chance to respond or chain to a previous event from the opposing player.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
How would he retain priority to flip himself face down in the same chain?

His face down effect is Spell Speed 1, which would mean that he can't chain the effect to Bottomless Trap Hole, and would then have to wait to start another chain, starting with him activating his effect to flip himself face down again.
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So the answer is that his effect would resolve sending all of the monsters back to my opponent's hand but he would be destroyed by Bottomless Trap Hole before he can activate his effect of being flipped face down?
 
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Yes.

You flip summon Guardian Sphinx, his effect activates and is chain link 1 (and you have already used your "summoning priority" in this way). Your opponent then receives priority and can chain Bottomless Trap Hole; if he does so, it is chain link 2. You cannot chain Guardian Sphinx's effect to flip himself face-down, because it is a spell speed 1 effect.

If no other cards are involved in this chain, the chain starts to resolve: Bottomless Trap Hole destroys and removes Guardian Sphinx from the game, then all monsters on your opponent's side of the field are returned to their owner hand.

Sorry if someone else gave the same answer before! I think is correct.
 
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dark_ruler_hades said:
From how i understand, yes b/c I Divine Wrathed a B:tMW after it got it's counter and John told me that GETTING the counter is priorty, the 2nd effect (Remove this counter....) is a new chain
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I never said any such thing. It appears you misunderstood what I said.

Cards do not have priority.

If Breaker the Magical Warrior's effect is activated, that would be the correct time to activate Divine Wrath.

Please be very careful what you quote me as saying, it would be best to get it in a written format before doing so. People tend to hear what they want to hear or interpret the spoken (and written) work incorrectly often times.
 
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:s MasterWoo0 is right... this will maybe be a LONG thread....
About it: priority is ALWAYS player-bound, NEVER card-bound.

A player may choose to use priority. Of course, there are always a lot of things that use up your priority. Like summoning.
Also, you must see the game as a sort of chain of priority. Priority switches between you and your opponent, depending on the moves you make.
 
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Well, hopefully I won't contribute to 6 pages, but a couple things I wanted to note....

Breaker may be a bad "first example" of using Priority. Exiled Force <cringes /> would be a better one.

You summon Exiled Force. Your opponent is chomping at the bit with their Trap Hole waiting to make you lose it, but as the turn player. You have the priority to repond first to the summoning of Exiled. In this case you would use your priority to activate Exiled's Effect, tributing him to destroy a monster on the field, and thus leave your opponent high and dry with their Trap Hole.

The "best" way to do this in a duel is to say "I summon Exiled Force and use my priority to activate his effect. That way your opponent knows not to reveal any hidden Trap Holes or Torrential Tributes they have on hand. Granted it would be tempting to watch them flip it and then say "No no, I'm going to use my priority." I personally find such tactics highly disrespectful.

Similarly, if your opponent summons Exiled Force and does nothing, I would simply ask "Are you going to activate Exiled's effect?" If they respond with a No, then at that point you can effectively say, "Okay, I will repond to your summon with Trap Hole." I know there are MANY sticking points on this, because your opponent will most likely back peddle, but if you ask me, they have effectively Relinquished their priority at that point. Additionally, you can't chain Exiled's effect to the Trap Hole, because Trap Hole's effect is spell speed 2, and you can't chain a slower effect to a faster one.

Moving on, Breaker is an example of how the turn player "loses" their priority. When Breaker is summoned, he has an effect that triggers due to the summoning and activates immediately. Because this effect activates immediately and is out of the turn player's control, the opponent now has the opportunity to chain to Breaker's effect. Most likely they will chain with a Bottomless Trap Hole. Since BTH is a spell speed 2 trap, you are now out of luck to respond with any effects.

This is also shown in the Guardian Sphinx example initially given.

I hope this helps a bit. i'll be quiet now 8^D
 
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When this card is Normal Summoned, put 1 Spell Counter on it (max. 1). Increase the ATK of this card by 300 points for each Spell Counter on this card. By removing 1 Spell Counter from this card, destroy 1 Spell or Trap Card on the field.

Bolded section is a mandatory trigger effect, therefore priority worthy.
 
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slither said:
When this card is Normal Summoned, put 1 Spell Counter on it (max. 1). Increase the ATK of this card by 300 points for each Spell Counter on this card. By removing 1 Spell Counter from this card, destroy 1 Spell or Trap Card on the field.

Bolded section is a mandatory trigger effect, therefore priority worthy.
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My viewpoint exactly
 
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Ok, let's be clear about one thing here. The Mandatory Trigger Effect of "Breaker the Magical Warrior" has NOTHING to do with Priority. It is an automatically triggered event. Because it automatically triggers, it will automatically become link 1 in the Summon Response Chain, thus, taking away ANY chance the Summoning Player has of using Priority to respond to that Summoning first.

This is the same type of Effect as "Stumbling" (Mandatory Trigger). And we all 'should' know how "Stumbling" affects Priority.
 
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skey23 said:
Ok, let's be clear about one thing here. The Mandatory Trigger Effect of "Breaker the Magical Warrior" has NOTHING to do with Priority. It is an automatically triggered event. Because it automatically triggers, it will automatically become link 1 in the Summon Response Chain, thus, taking away ANY chance the Summoning Player has of using Priority to respond to that Summoning first.

This is the same type of Effect as "Stumbling" (Mandatory Trigger). And we all 'should' know how "Stumbling" affects Priority.
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Exactly, that's as clear as it can be made.
 
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skey23 said:
Ok, let's be clear about one thing here. The Mandatory Trigger Effect of "Breaker the Magical Warrior" has NOTHING to do with Priority. It is an automatically triggered event. Because it automatically triggers, it will automatically become link 1 in the Summon Response Chain, thus, taking away ANY chance the Summoning Player has of using Priority to respond to that Summoning first.

This is the same type of Effect as "Stumbling" (Mandatory Trigger). And we all 'should' know how "Stumbling" affects Priority.
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:D, I was just trying to be simple in explanation :p...
 
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slither said:
:D, I was just trying to be simple in explanation :p...
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In oversimplifying it, you glossed over the fact of what skey23 was trying to drill into our heads.

If you know what skey23 is saying, you can understand what you are trying to say, but if you are missing the point of his statement, it almost sounds as if you are saying that the turn player still has priority to use the counter after he places it on Breaker, and Im sure you are not implying that.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
In oversimplifying it, you glossed over the fact of what skey23 was trying to drill into our heads.

If you know what skey23 is saying, you can understand what you are trying to say, but if you are missing the point of his statement, it almost sounds as if you are saying that the turn player still has priority to use the counter after he places it on Breaker, and Im sure you are not implying that.
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Of course not... what I ment by my previous post was only, that I did not made my earlier statement as deeply as skey did (he explained it in a much more detailed fashion)... I know what he's saying as well as I know what I posted on my first post, I just didn't stated deeply enough...

Therefore "I was just trying to be simple" ;)
 
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