Came up at Regionals today...

[Fiendish Envoy]

Player A Flip Summoned Magician of Faith.
Player B responded with Ring of Destruction (targeting Magician of Faith).
Player A responded with Torrential Tribute.

Was Torrential Tribute legally activated? I ruled yes. Player appealed. Head Judge overruled me saying it was illegally activated.

Anyone confirm?

 

[densetsu_x]

Head Judge was wrong.

You were activating "Torrential Tribute" in response to "Magician of Faith" being flipped. That whole first chain after a summon or an attack declaration allows you to do things that don't seem to fit but do because the last action to resolve was (in this case) the summon, so lots of cards could be activated/chained in response.

 

[masterwoo0]

Player A Flip Summoned Magician of Faith.
Player B responded with Ring of Destruction (targeting Magician of Faith).
Player A responded with Torrential Tribute.

Was Torrential Tribute legally activated? I ruled yes. Player appealed. Head Judge overruled me saying it was illegally activated.

Anyone confirm?

Looks like the last thing that happened was a summon as Ring of Destruction has not yet resolved. Both cards are a response to a Summon, so both are correctly activated.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

Two other thing sthat came up in my mind (but weren't asked):

Can you use Royal Oppression against the cards summoned by Cyber Jar, or must you do it directly to Cyber Jar's effect?

With Horn of Heaven and Solem Judgement. When your opponent activates Monster Reborn to summon a monster, can you use both of the above cards in response to Monster Reborn AND the monster actually being summoned?

 

[densetsu_x]

"Royal Oppression" would have to be used in response to "Cyber Jar" being flipped. If "Cyber Jar" was was flipped as a result of battle, you cannot use it.

In regards to "Monster Reborn", you can only use "Solemn Judgment" to negate the activation of "Monster Reborn". If you do not, the monster being special summoned is during the resolution of "Monster Reborn" and you miss the chance to negate the summon. "Horn of Heaven" won't help you at all in this case.

 

[masterwoo0]

With Horn of Heaven and Solem Judgement. When your opponent activates Monster Reborn to summon a monster, can you use both of the above cards in response to Monster Reborn AND the monster actually being summoned?

Horn of Heaven only works on monsters being Summoned to the field either by their own effect (normal or special), by a normal tribute, normal summon, or flip summon.

 

[PsychoDemon]

If "Cyber Jar" was was flipped as a result of battle, you cannot use it.

Actually At SJC It Was Ruled That You Can Use Royal Oppression's Effect!

 

[mikoal]

just wondering, why cant solemn or Horn of Heaven stop the special summon of Monster Reborn.....
so does that mean horn cant stop call or premat?

 

[densetsu_x]

When a monster is normally summoned, there is a window in which you can negate that summon, before any other effects activate. That is the time you need to activate "Solemn Judgment" or "Horn of Heaven". If you don't the monster is considered "properly summoned". Now, with the case of "Monster Reborn", the monster is being summoned during the resolution of another card. The monster will already be considered "properly summoned" by the time you have finished resolving "Monster Reborn" so you've missed the window to activate "Horn of Heaven" (since you cannot interrupt the resolution of a S/T card). "Solemn Judgment" cannot be used at that time either BUT it can be used in chain to "Monster Reborn" to negate that spell in the first place (accomplishing the same thing).

 

[mikoal]

so can u Torrential Tribute?
since the "summioning" is in the middle of the resolution of reborn/call/premat

 

[densetsu_x]

Yes you can use "Torrential Tribute" or "Bottomless Trap Hole" after a monster is successfully summoned by "Monster Reborn" because the timing for those cards are now correct.

 

[mikoal]

k, got it

torrent/bottomless bascially activates when it is summoned.....therefore timing=correct
whereas Horn of Heaven negates the summon which is in the middle of the reborn

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

"Royal Oppression" would have to be used in response to "Cyber Jar" being flipped. If "Cyber Jar" was was flipped as a result of battle, you cannot use it.

So this makes the negation effect of Royal Oppression Spell Speed 2? I was under the impression that it can be activated in the Damage Step since it has the term 'negate' in it.

EDIT: Yeah, I checked RONIN and verified.

Anyway, thanks guys.

*locked*

 

[densetsu_x]

Well, "Royal Opression" is a continuous trap so it is only Speed 2 regardless.