I'm sure anyone who reads this forum has heard of King of the Skull Servants so here's my question: Since the card text says the original ATK of this card becomes the number of "King of the Skull Servants" and "Skull Servant" in your Graveyard x 1000 points, does that mean at full power (2 Kings and 3 Skull Servants in the Graveyard) can I tribute him for Great Maju Garzett and get a 10,000 ATK monster destroyer?
Can the King become even more?
- Thread starter D.M.E.N.
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Inuyasha_Riku
the drumming duelist
i forget does Great Maju Garzett's effect apply to the monster's ORIGINAL attack or CURRENT attack? Let me look at King of the Skull Servants too...
Inuyasha_Riku
the drumming duelist
D.M.E.N. said:
yes....at full power, ur great maju would be 10,000 if u tributed the king of Skull Servants with 5,000.....but as always with ludicrously high attack monsters...beware the cylinder....
Are we sure on this? Great Maju Garzett's effect is, I think, continuous. This would mean that it becomes active once ON THE FIELD. By which point King has long been in the grave. The summon would not only have to have occurred, but also have passed the point of Solemn Judgment before great maju could determine his ATK power. Once in the grave, all monster's ATK default to the printed. So how do we know King wouldn't be considered to have an ATK of 0 at the time Great Maju determines his ATK?
I'm not arguing for or against Inuyasha. I'm just throwing that out there.
I'm not arguing for or against Inuyasha. I'm just throwing that out there.
Jason_C said:
:icon_conf uh....I think your over analyzing the course of events and even if his ATK does become 0, Solumn Judgement would still destroy him easily. But this is good. Bring up some more questions people. I'd like to know the in's and out's of this move before I use it.
Solemn Judgment? Huh? I think you may have missed the point. You see, after a summon, there is first a point where such cards as Solemn Judgment can be activated, THEN the monster is consider effectively summoned. I wasn't saying that solemn wouldn't kill him. I was simply pointing out that by the time Maju is considered summoned, King of Skull would be long dead, and its ATK already at 0.
The question, now, is: Does Great Maju check ATK of the tribute BEFORE or AFTER Maju is summoned?
The question, now, is: Does Great Maju check ATK of the tribute BEFORE or AFTER Maju is summoned?
And I would have to disagree based on this Curtis post. It must check at the time of summon, not after it's in the Graveyard:
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[updated 06/06/2005]
If you tribute Fusilier for a Great Maju Garzett while Fusilier was summoned
without tributing, does GMG get 2800 ATK or 5600 ATK?
Answer:
"Great Maju Garzett's" ATK will be 2800. (1400 doubled)
This is due to Fusilier Dragon's effect.
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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrepâ„¢
CurtisSchultz_netrep@hotmail.com
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[updated 06/06/2005]
If you tribute Fusilier for a Great Maju Garzett while Fusilier was summoned
without tributing, does GMG get 2800 ATK or 5600 ATK?
Answer:
"Great Maju Garzett's" ATK will be 2800. (1400 doubled)
This is due to Fusilier Dragon's effect.
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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrepâ„¢
CurtisSchultz_netrep@hotmail.com
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses
New Member
slither said:
Some monsters have an original ATK marked ?, and do not change their original ATK: Gradius' Option, Gren Maju Da Eiza, Maju Garzett
If Great Maju Garzett's tribute was one of these monsters its ATK would be zero.
The others--King of the Skull Servants, Megarock Dragon, Tyranno Infinity, UFOroid Fighter-- modify their original ATK. So they do not have an original attack of "?" once summoned.
djp952 said:
Wait, hold on a second. Fusilier's original ATK is 2800. summoning him without tribute cuts his ATK and DEF in half, but his new stats are not his original scores. 2800 is his original ATK, not 1400. Is this an official ruling you found cuz' it's not computing in my head.
It's as official as you'll find. It's from the UDE judge list.
From RONIN:
"¢ If you have "Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast" with original ATK of 1400 because you Summoned or Set it without Tribute, and you equip it with "Megamorph", its original ATK will be 2800 when your Life Points are lower, and 700 when your Life Points are higher.
So you see, according to the official rulings, Fusilier Dragon's original attack is indeed halved, making the concept accurate.
Besides, "Curtis says so" is almost as good as "Konami says so"
From RONIN:
"¢ If you have "Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast" with original ATK of 1400 because you Summoned or Set it without Tribute, and you equip it with "Megamorph", its original ATK will be 2800 when your Life Points are lower, and 700 when your Life Points are higher.
So you see, according to the official rulings, Fusilier Dragon's original attack is indeed halved, making the concept accurate.
Besides, "Curtis says so" is almost as good as "Konami says so"
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
Also, look at this part of Fusilier...
In that case, the original ATK/DEF of this card become halved.
Should prove the point made...
In that case, the original ATK/DEF of this card become halved.
Should prove the point made...
It still doesn't explain Curtis' answer to Great Maju Garzett from Fusilier. King of the Skull Servants sets its original ATK to a value (X000), and so does Fusilier, both by their effects. Why one of these effects matters when calculating Great Maju Garzett and the other doesn't is just confusing.
Personally I'm leaning towards the Fusilier ruling by Curtis being wrong. Yes, I doubt him. By the time its ATK is used to calculate a doubled version, it's in the Graveyard, where its halving effect should have disappeared. This would keep things in line with E-Hero Flame Wingman (and Guardian Angel Joan, I believe).
Personally I'm leaning towards the Fusilier ruling by Curtis being wrong. Yes, I doubt him. By the time its ATK is used to calculate a doubled version, it's in the Graveyard, where its halving effect should have disappeared. This would keep things in line with E-Hero Flame Wingman (and Guardian Angel Joan, I believe).
Maruno said:
There is no disconnect here. The point we've been trying to make is that Great Maju Garzett is based on the original ATK at the time of the tribute summon. Both E-Hero Flame Wingman and Guardian Angel Joan's effects behave differently, and do check the original ATK as it stands after the card has been sent to the Graveyard. This is simply not the case for Great Maju Garzett.
Well I believe the difference between Great Maju and E. Hero/Guardian Angel Joan is this:
this two monsters wait for the monster to hit the grave, after they check if the monster is in fact in the grave, then it calculates, the attack.
this two monsters wait for the monster to hit the grave, after they check if the monster is in fact in the grave, then it calculates, the attack.
I gotta side with Maruno here. besides, doesn't original attack mean what attack score is written on the card? That's the biggest thing bothering me about the fusilier and kotss monsters. To analyze the Fusilier monster more, the text says "it's original ATK and DEF is halved" not "it's original ATK and DEF becomes 1400/1000"..........then again, I'm not a UDE judge. So I think I need to redesign my deck.