Continuous Spell, Dust Turnado, and Spell counter

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If a card (e.g. Dust Turnado) that will destroy a Contiuuous Spell card (e.g. Level Limit-Area B) is chained to the activation to the Continuous Spell card, will a Spell counter be placed (on Royal Magical Library, etc)?
 
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Tkwiget said:
There is no such thing as a "Continuous Trigger Effect" in this game. Royal Magical Library has two Trigger Effects. One activates and resolve after a Spell Card is activated and resolves. The other is activated manually by the Turn Player.

Also the Chain Block with Level Limit - Area B and Dust Tornado would be like this.

Link 1: Level Limit - Area B
Link 2: Dust Tornado

No where in this Chain Block does it contain Royal Magical Library. Royal Magical Library doesn't activate until the Chain Block resolves completely. So reverse the Chain Link order.

Link 2: Dust Tornado
Link 1: Level Limit - Area B

Dust Tornado is destroying Level Limit - Area B and Level Limit - Area B's effect resolves without effect.

Royal Magical Library's Spell Counter gaining effect activates and priority is passed between both players. Royal Magical Library resolves and the card gains 1 Spell Counter.

Any card that activates its effect (as long it isn't one that requires to be face up) and is then destroyed or removed from the field will resolve. Continuous Spell and Trap Cards will resolve still, however the effect will resolve without effect. That's the nature of how Continuous Spell and Trap Cards function. (I think.)

I really hope that helps.

=)
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You are incorrect, both Royal Magical Library's effects are not triggered effects. Royal Magical Library's first effect is a continous effect that is triggered every time a player activates a magic card. Royal Magical Library's 2nd effect is an ignition effect (formally reffered to as a cost effects in old rule books verision 3.0 and below).

The term "resolves without effect" is misleading in this situation. when dealing with a continous magic/trap card that had been destroyed in a chain before it resolves, the actual effect does not "resolve without effect" it is merly the link in the chain that resolves and does nothing; the actual effect simply fails to exist. There is no functional differance and I have yet to find a situation where this technicality actually matters.

The most difficult part about being a judge is distinguishing the the continous effect and the continuos trigger effects from each other. People have asked questions regarding such effects (like Fire Princess) for as long as the mechanics to answer the questions have existed.

If Spirit Reaper was a continous effect, instead of a continous triggered effect, cards like Book of Moon and Compulsory Evacuation Device would kill it.
 
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Resolves...

"Without Effect".

It's that simple. It's not one long word.


If something resolves, it resolves with an effect, or it resolves without one. What else do you have?
 
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exiledforcefreak said:
You are incorrect, both Royal Magical Library's effects are not triggered effects. Royal Magical Library's first effect is a continous effect that is triggered every time a player activates a magic card. Royal Magical Library's 2nd effect is an ignition effect (formally reffered to as a cost effects in old rule books verision 3.0 and below).

The term "resolves without effect" is misleading in this situation. when dealing with a continous magic/trap card that had been destroyed in a chain before it resolves, the actual effect does not "resolve without effect" it is merly the link in the chain that resolves and does nothing; the actual effect simply fails to exist. There is no functional differance and I have yet to find a situation where this technicality actually matters.

The most difficult part about being a judge is distinguishing the the continous effect and the continuos trigger effects from each other. People have asked questions regarding such effects (like Fire Princess) for as long as the mechanics to answer the questions have existed.

If Spirit Reaper was a continous effect, instead of a continous triggered effect, cards like Book of Moon and Compulsory Evacuation Device would kill it.
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I was wrong about a couple things, but I still disagree with Royal Magical Library's first effect. The second one is indeed Ignition. Don't know why I didn't see the wording. =/

Continuous Trigger Effects don't exist in this game though. You can argue that King Tiger Wanghu is a continuous effect, yet it's a Trigger Effect. Royal Magical Library isn't establishing any kind of effect on the field. That's what Continuous Monster effects are like. You have multiple examples of this too.

Here a couple:
Jinzo
Spell Canceller
Hayabusa Knight
Mataza the Zapper
Raging Flame Sprite

Raging Flame Sprite's second effect is dependant on the first effect getting through. No damage equals no attack boost; which means it's a Continuous Monster effect.

The reason why King Tiger Wanghu is a Trigger Effect in the first place is because of the fact it says, "that are Normal Summoned or Special Summoned." and it tells me that the meaning of how King Tiger Wanghu functions is of a Trigger Effect. It being a Continuous Effect wouldn't make much sense when it specifically demands two kinds of summonings and of a specific Attack point range.

Royal Magical Library, as well as a lot of other monsters that gain Spell Counters in the same way, have similar sentence structure in how they gain the Spell Counter -- if not exact. If Royal Magical Library's first effect is indeed a Continuous Effect, then Divine Wrath couldn't chain and negate Royal Magical Library's Spell Counter gaining effect.

And I quote from you exiledforcefreak.

exiledforcefreak said:
Magical royal library starts a new chain. Players may add effects to this chain. when this chain resolves, assuming no one negated Magical Royal Library's effect with Divine Wrath then it (Royal Magical Library's effect) will resolve and it will get a spell counter.
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You said it yourself because Divine Wrath can't negate Continuous Monster effects. On top of that, there is no such thing as a Continuous Trigger Effect. Trigger Effects will automatically continue to activate each time their effects meet their requirements. Continuous Monster effects don't do that. They establish their effect on the field.

However, I do feel that I'm completely wrong. =/

Btw, as far as Level Limit - Area B and Dust Tornado in the same Chain Block is concerned, I just remembered that Spell or Trap cards aren't sent to the Graveyard until everything in the Chain Block has resolved -- mainly speaking about destroying effects.

^^^^ That little piece I dug out of the Advanced Gameplay FAQ on the official website.
 
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Skiming through this thread I seem to be seeing comments to the effect that Continuous Spell Card resolves even though it is destroyed mid-cahin by another effect. Cold someone please explain this grossly erroneous conlcusion to me?
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Skiming through this thread I seem to be seeing comments to the effect that Continuous Spell Card resolves even though it is destroyed mid-cahin by another effect. Cold someone please explain this grossly erroneous conlcusion to me?
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Blame me for that. =P I believe I caused it in the first place anyway. XD
 
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Ah! Just wanted to be sure. I have a hard time concentrating while my daughter does cirlces in her wlalker all the while winning. Maybe I should feed her or something. :eek_jedi:
 
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