Today, I was watching a duel between someone I truly dislike and someone I know. The person I dislike attacks a face-down Cyber Jar, effect goes through, he gets 2 monsters, 1 being Tribe-Infecting Virus. Friend uses Bottomless Trap Hole. Is that legal? The other person was going on about Torrential Tribute vs. Cyber Jar does not allow it to work since it is in the Damage Step or something and I already had a headache from this to begin with.
Cyber Jar vs. Bottomless Trap Hole
- Thread starter Tiso
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It's on the rulings actually. #5 for Bottomless Trap Hole:
If "Cyber Jar" is flipped as a result of being attacked, you cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" because it cannot be activated during the Damage Step.
If "Cyber Jar" is flipped as a result of being attacked, you cannot activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" because it cannot be activated during the Damage Step.
Dillie-O
Council of Heroes
In your first example, no. The effect of special summoning monsters to the field resolves during the resolve effects portion of damage calculation. You cannot activate normal traps like BTH during this phase.
However, if the player had flip summoned, or used Desert Sunlight to flip Cyber Jar face up during Main Phase 1 or 2, then BTH could be used in response after the monsters were summoned to poentially flush them all out.
You are correct about the Torrential Tribute aspect of things too. This also explains BTH yet again 8^D
EDIT: _SURE_ DJ, just pull up the rulings and use that why don't ya. Beat me to the punch and all! 8^D
However, if the player had flip summoned, or used Desert Sunlight to flip Cyber Jar face up during Main Phase 1 or 2, then BTH could be used in response after the monsters were summoned to poentially flush them all out.
You are correct about the Torrential Tribute aspect of things too. This also explains BTH yet again 8^D
EDIT: _SURE_ DJ, just pull up the rulings and use that why don't ya. Beat me to the punch and all! 8^D
nothing, hence the "Forgive me for spamming" part. But Dillie-O seemed rather upset that he had just taken the time to type all that up, and it served no purpose cause DJ "butted in". I guess go ahead and delete if it's THAT bad. I'm just puzzled that someone would point out the greif others "butting in" gives them, but not participate in our most amusing game.
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Dillie-O
Council of Heroes
Actually no...next time I'll make sure to make the sarcasm more clear and put the smiley in a larger format. There's no way to stop the "butting in" in this case because there is no guarantee that a person viewing the thread will actually be responding to it.
I've been through enough rulings threads that it becomes humorous when you get 2 or 3 of the same answer in a matter of seconds because people are typing at the same time. Just a fact of life 8^D
I've been through enough rulings threads that it becomes humorous when you get 2 or 3 of the same answer in a matter of seconds because people are typing at the same time. Just a fact of life 8^D
I never misunderstood you Dillie. I've seen the "8^D" smiley enought times to know what it means. 8^D
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
slither said:
You forget to mention TT can't be activated in the Battle Phase
(side note, because in duels I see people who want to activate it in the Battle Phase)daivahataka
Gold Member
It can't be activated in the Damage step, but it could be activated in the Battle phase:BenjaminMS said:You forget to mention TT can't be activated in the Battle Phase
e.g.
TP declares attack on opponent's set monster
NTP activates Desert Sunlight.
TP doesn't chain
Desert Sunlight resolves flipping a Cyber Jar, Cyber Jar's effect now begins 2nd chain in the Battle Step.
No one chains
Cyber Jar's effect resolves destroying all monsters and summoning/setting any allowed ones picked up by either player.
TP activates Torrential Tribute.
NTP doesn't chain.
Torrential Tribute resolves destroying all monsters on the field.
Crazy example I know but it could happen...
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
daivahataka said:
*Thinks of it* Alright... but it won't happen that much. Actually... it is annoying card. With my Mill-deck I sometimes used Desert Sunlight, without the notice that the effect of the flips activate :/ Because that stupid word 'change'...
John Danker
Administrator
Granted, it won't happen all that often (with only one Torrential Tribute in a deck obviously the odds aren't that great) but trust me, I've seen much more unusual circumstances and the same ones more than once or twice.