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Actually it wasn't either one of them. It was completely different. I ruled that the Turn Player (the one with Des Wombat) would take Battle Damage that the Non-Turn Player would have taken as Battle Damage and not Effect Damage. Also, I said that because of that the attack target wouldn't be destroyed either.


I was completely WAY off. XD

John explained to me the correct ruling after the appeal. Good thing both players noticed I drew a blank on Dimension Wall. XD I even told them I wasn't even 10% sure on it. So they asked me to get the Head Judge.

Horrible ruling, but I was going off of Dimension Wall's text and saw Battle Damage, was thinking "redirecting the Battle Damage" and put the two together and made that ruling. I think this was around Round 6 or 7. Leaning more on Round 7 (the final round).
 
Tkwiget said:
Actually it wasn't either one of them. It was completely different. I ruled that the Turn Player (the one with Des Wombat) would take Battle Damage that the Non-Turn Player would have taken as Battle Damage and not Effect Damage. Also, I said that because of that the attack target wouldn't be destroyed either.


I was completely WAY off. XD

John explained to me the correct ruling after the appeal. Good thing both players noticed I drew a blank on Dimension Wall. XD I even told them I wasn't even 10% sure on it. So they asked me to get the Head Judge.

Horrible ruling, but I was going off of Dimension Wall's text and saw Battle Damage, was thinking "redirecting the Battle Damage" and put the two together and made that ruling. I think this was around Round 6 or 7. Leaning more on Round 7 (the final round).
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Ok, but what is the real ruling?

Does Des Wombat protect you from cards like Magic Cylinder or Dimension Wall?
 
The correct ruling that John gave was that Dimension Wall reflects the Effect Damage back at the Turn Player that the Non-Turn Player would have taken. The attack target is destroyed and Des Wombat prevents or absorbs the Effect Damage from occuring to the Turn Player.



And my face was like... :eek:jama_yel

Because I forgot. :rolleyes_
 
Tkwiget said:
The correct ruling that John gave was that Dimension Wall reflects the Effect Damage back at the Turn Player that the Non-Turn Player would have taken. The attack target is destroyed and Des Wombat prevents or absorbs the Effect Damage from occuring to the Turn Player.



And my face was like... :eek:jama_yel

Because I forgot. :rolleyes_
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Why is it treated as effect damage?

Amazoness Swords Woman:
The opponent takes all Battle Damage to this card's controller that he/she would have taken from a battle involving this card.

- Damage inflicted to the opponent when "Amazoness Swordswoman"'s effect is activated is Battle Damage, so the opponent cannot use "Barrel Behind the Door".



Dimension Wall:
You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack with a monster. Instead of you, your opponent takes the Battle Damage you would have taken as a result of this battle.


Why is it treated as battle damage with Amazoness Swords Woman and treated as effect damage with Dimension Wall?
 
That was going to be my EXACT question...lol. Why is it treated as EFFECT damage? The card clearly states the opponent receives it as BATTLE damage...lol.
 
I may certainly have been wrong on this one <cringe> ....though I'm not convinced either way....it appears TK made the correct call indeed.

I was asked a question (outside of a match, a player asked as a curiosity) about Gravekeeper's Watcher and Graceful Charity. Not having Ronin available and not having the FAQ available and with poor and confusing text on Gravekeeper's Watcher I couldn't answer with certainty if it would negate Graceful Charity or not. With a new meta come new questions....and new courses of study.
 
I agree that "Des Wombat" will stop the damage inflicted by "Dimension Wall". But I don't agree that damage is considered to be Effect Damage. The damage is still being applied via a card effect, which certainly qualifies for negation by "Des Wombat".


Just my thoughts.
 
skey23 said:
I agree that "Des Wombat" will stop the damage inflicted by "Dimension Wall". But I don't agree that damage is considered to be Effect Damage. The damage is still being applied via a card effect, which certainly qualifies for negation by "Des Wombat".


Just my thoughts.
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That's the way I was looking at it....though as I said, I'm not convinced either way.
 
Uh oh. So the question now is whether Des Wombat will absorb Battle Damage if it was inflicted by a card effect? I can't agree there. Dimension Wall doesn't inflict anything, it redirects it. Battle Damage cannot be inflicted by a card effect. It can only be redirected and modified.
 
Let's look at a few things here...shall we!

"The effect of "Dimension Wall" is applied during damage calculation and cannot be chained to."

"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, any damage by a card effect to the controller of this card becomes 0."


That would seem to suggest that "Des Wombat" will indeed stop the damage redirected by "Dimension Wall"...
 
As you read it Des Wombat, it doesnt necessarily say that the damage has to be "effect damage", just damage caused by the effect of a Card.

So, while it won't protect you against a direct attack or overflow damage, it will protect you against the activation of a Card effect that inflicts damage according to its text.
 
masterwoo0 said:
As you read it Des Wombat, it doesnt necessarily say that the damage has to be "effect damage", just damage caused by the effect of a Card.

So, while it won't protect you against a direct attack or overflow damage, it will protect you against the activation of a Card effect that inflicts damage according to its text.
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He's got a point there. I can certainly understand it now. A card is making the player take some kind of damage, and Death Wombat says that any damage that player takes becomes zero, so it does.
 
Hmm, I'm not sure about that. The way I'm seeing it, all Dimension Wall is doing is redirecting the damage, similar to how Barrell Behind the Door is redirecting damage, not actually inflicting it, hence the "you can't barrell a barrell" ruling I think I saw around here a while back.

Along those lines, it is still battle damge being inflicted to the opponent, so Wombat couldn't protect it.
 
This is definitly one of those wait and see type things. But I'm willing to place (fake) money on it only affecting Effect Damage.
 
Dillie-O said:
Hmm, I'm not sure about that. The way I'm seeing it, all Dimension Wall is doing is redirecting the damage, similar to how Barrell Behind the Door is redirecting damage, not actually inflicting it, hence the "you can't barrell a barrell" ruling I think I saw around here a while back.

Along those lines, it is still battle damge being inflicted to the opponent, so Wombat couldn't protect it.
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That would be the only twist. Since Dimension Wall isnt really the initiation of it, like say, Hinotama, then it could certainly be "just" effect damage.

EDIT: And, after really looking at the effect, I would have to say that it is more like Barrel Behind the Door, in where it doesnt really do anything except displace the damage.
 
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