Machine Duplication Question?

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atomic_lizard

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Machine Duplication

The question is: If the attack of a machine-type fusion monster is reduced to 500 can I special summon up to 2 more copies from my fusion deck?
 
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This is a good combo to use with Fusilier Dragon, the Dual-Mode Beast

atomic_lizard said:
Card #RDS-EN041Card NameMachine DuplicationCard TypeSpellCard Text Select 1 Machine-Type monster with an ATK of 500 or less on your side of the field and activate this card. You can Special Summon up to 2 cards with the same name from your Deck.

The question is: If the attack of a machine-type fusion monster is reduced to 500 can I special summon up to 2 more copies from my fusion deck?
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You cannot use this card to special summon monsters from your Fusion Deck. It says from your deck, not Fusion Deck.
 
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That's what Iwas talking about. And true, you aren't summoning, but how would it really make a difference? Fusion summon isn't the only way to summon a fusion monster.... Such a vague thread...

-pssvr
 
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Imo

Is't the ONLY way to get out a Fusion is by "cards required" and/or "card text"? I think that as long as they had one of those two things than they could get out the two fusions and the ATK would be reduced 500 if they were machine-type.
 
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Cards that check the deck for Special Summoning or Searching will not Special Summon or pull ANYTHING from your Fusion Deck. Your Main Deck is the default deck that a deck checker always looks at.

If a card effect returns a monster to the deck, the monster will return to the only deck it can return to. A fusion CANNOT exist in your Main Deck or your Hand under any circumstances. If an effect tries to put it thier, the monster returns to your Fusion Deck by default. This does not give the deck checkers any type of special ability. It's not giving them free reign to search any deck you choose. This is just Game Mechanics striking yet again.
 
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Even if the fusion deck is considered the main deck:

Fusion monsters may only be special summoned by fusion summon, or by a card effect that specifically says it can special summon a fusion monster. Machine Duplication can't summon fusion monsters just like it can't summon ritual monsters.

You can't activate a card effect that will do nothing. You can select a fusion monster to be returned from the field to your hand because it will go to the fusion deck instead. Removing it from the field is doing something, even though Sending a card from the field to the fusion deck is not exactly what you're supposed to be doing

You may not select a fusion monster with Sangan's effect as it will be sent from the fusion deck to the fusion deck. This is doing nothing, and therefore not a legal course of action.

Now knowing that you will never have a legal target in the fusion deck, you can't search for something in it because this will be stalling.

Now if sometime in the future a card allows non-fusion monsters to be sent to the fusion deck, i would think you could retrieve these with Sangan for example. But that's only hypothetical...
 
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Well maybe I didn't phrase it clearly. Somewhere in there I meant to state that cards that use a Fusion monste as a basis for checking your deck would check you Fusion Deck as well. But, I'm still a little learly of saying you can Machine Duplication a Fusion Monster to bring out two more. Seachers seldom let you go get things from your Fusion Deck unless it were a Fusion Specific effect to begin with. I'm not saying the logic doesn't work, but whther it would ultimately be allowed is what I question.
 
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But the problem we have here is we're not just destroying something. We're Special Summoning something. And summons have thier own mechanics and rulings that change things up. I can't think of a single effect has a generic summoning effect that will let you search the Fusion Deck. I don't see anythig from Chain Disappearance's rulings that lets you overide that summoning mechanic.
 
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If we are going to use the word "Default" as a purpose of summoning monsters through an effect, then I would think that by "Default", a monster cannot be summoned from the Fusion Deck unless the effect states that you can Special Summon a Fusion Monster "somewhere" in the text of the effect.

Clearly Machine Duplication does not state that you may Special Summon Machine Fusions, and it's not like this card is from a early set (Rise of Destiny), so I dont see how hard it would have been to put a few more words on the card's text to state

"Select 1 Machine-Type monster with an ATK of 500 or less on your side of the field and activate this card. You can Special Summon up to 2 cards with the same name from your Deck or Fusion Deck."

Three little words.

I cant see where this card can do what Mystic Tomato, Mother Grizzly, Flying Kamakiri #1, and Giant Rat can't.

Mystic Tomato
Card Text
When this card is sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon 1 DARK monster with an ATK of 1500 or less in face-up Attack Position from your Deck or Fusion Deck. Then shuffle your Deck.

Mother Grizzly
Card Text
When this card is sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon 1 WATER monster with an ATK of 1500 or less in face-up Attack Position from your Deck or Fusion Deck. Then shuffle your Deck.

Flying Kamakiri #1
Card Text
When this card is sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon 1 WIND monster with an ATK of 1500 or less in face-up Attack Position from your Deck or Fusion Deck. Then shuffle your Deck.

Giant Rat
Card Text
When this card is sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon 1 EARTH monster with an ATK of 1500 or less in face-up Attack Position from your Deck or Fusion Deck. Then shuffle your Deck.

Three little words can change everything we know about the game to date.

Maybe in the future they will make a "Fusion Duplication" Card, and it will have basically the same type of effect as Machine Duplication, and it will be Banned or restricted/limited as quicky as it is made.
 
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