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HorusMaster

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Just wanted to know- do you only remove monsters from play that would normally go to the graveyard or is EVERY card removed from play? Curious about how it plays out given the card text does not specify only monsters.
 
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I don't understand why you think it's "more likely" that it's a mistranslation and that errata is on the way. "Fox Fire" and "Giant Kozaky" have the same rulings and they are worded the same way. Are we now awaiting errata on "Giant Kozaky", too? It's just as "likely" that they aren't going to release any errata. Again, do you know something we don't?

"Ultimate Offering" was different. It was worded terribly and needed the errata. "Fox Fire" only needs clarification, which the rulings have provided.
 
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skey23 said:
It's not all Continuous Effects that involve destruction. It's all Continuous Monster Effects that involve self-destruction. And that destruction just happens to occur during the Damage Step.

And considering I can only find 3 monsters that this would apply to, AND all 3 have the same ruling applied to them. I'd say that's a pretty solid thing to go on.....wouldn't you?
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Er, no. What about Thunder Nyan Nyan and Gradius' Option?
 
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masterwoo0 said:
When you read Fox Fire's text, maybe no one else see's it the way I do, but it looks to me that it already must be face-up, and the Ruling only clarifies it.
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Well, I certainly don't see it that way...lol, although I do agree the ruling does clarify how the card works.

My first question when I read the text of "Fox Fire" is when will a monster never be face-up when it's destroyed by Battle? It's kind of a 'given' or a 'mechanic' that a monster will be face-up when destroyed by Battle.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
EDIT: And DJ, we DID have an official ruling on the UDE faq for Ultimate Offering.
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For a certainty, we didn't. This was one of my major pet peeves back in the day. All we had for the longest time was a Judges List message, and then for a short time we had two. The FAQ never had any instructions on how the card was to be played in the time I've been playing the game.
 
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skey23 said:
Well, I certainly don't see it that way...lol, although I do agree the ruling does clarify how the card works.

My first question when I read the text of "Fox Fire" is when will a monster never be face-up when it's destroyed by Battle? It's kind of a 'given' or a 'mechanic' that a monster will be face-up when destroyed by Battle.
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Well, I know its bad to compare monsters with Continuous Effects to Spell or Traps with the same thing, but, if a card is targeted by an effect, such as Call of the Haunted, after it has been flipped face-up, then it cannot resolve correctly.

If Fox Fire is attacked face-down, and flipped face-up, you could say that "Damage Calculation" is similar to a chained effect, and that since it would be destroyed, the Continuous Effect cannot resolve correctly.
 
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Kyhotae said:
I don't understand why you think it's "more likely" that it's a mistranslation and that errata is on the way. "Fox Fire" and "Giant Kozaky" have the same rulings and they are worded the same way. Are we now awaiting errata on "Giant Kozaky", too? It's just as "likely" that they aren't going to release any errata. Again, do you know something we don't?

"Ultimate Offering" was different. It was worded terribly and needed the errata. "Fox Fire" only needs clarification, which the rulings have provided.
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I never said an errata was on the way. On the contrary, I don't hold my breath for erratas, and I count on mistranslations. Their like meteor showers, you know you'll get some, you just don't know when or how many until they get here. I'm so much more inclined to believe its poor translation then a new base-ruling, because we had one card before it that was worded properly (Atomic Firefly) and one card after it that was worded properly (Poison Draw Frog), how hard would it have been to word this one properly, too? It's more likely something that slipped through the cracks.
 
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Well, since "Fox Fire" and "Giant Kozaky" have been victims of these mistranslations and they both work the same way as "Atomic Firefly" and "Poison Draw Frog", we have 2 instances that these cards with similar wording and effect types will be handled the same way. That sounds like a trend, not a fluke. Why is it unreasonable to assume that another card with the same kind of wording would be handled the same way?
 
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Kyhotae said:
Well, since "Fox Fire" and "Giant Kozaky" have been victims of these mistranslations and they both work the same way as "Atomic Firefly" and "Poison Draw Frog", we have 2 instances that these cards with similar wording and effect types will be handled the same way. That sounds like a trend, not a fluke. Why is it unreasonable to assume that another card with the same kind of wording would be handled the same way?
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It's unlikely, not unreasonable.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
For a certainty, we didn't. This was one of my major pet peeves back in the day. All we had for the longest time was a Judges List message, and then for a short time we had two. The FAQ never had any instructions on how the card was to be played in the time I've been playing the game.
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I posted this on another thread too, but i ahve the original 4 pages of specific questions and answers saved on my computer and there it is:

Ultimate Offering
Q: Can "Ultimate Offering" be activated during my opponent's
turn? If so, can I Normal Summon a monster in my opponent's
turn?
A: Yes. However, you can Normal Summon or Set a monster only
during your opponent's Battle Phase if you use this effect in
your opponent's turn. Of course, you can also activate the
effect in your turn, but only in your Main Phase.
 
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replay.

that the key why G.Kozaky and the rest dont just explode upon impact.

the rule for the monkey is that if its in battle itll still do what its ment to do until after damage calculation. If it lived the battle itll die by its effect if it didnt its effect can not trigger becuase it is not on the board to do so.

were getting a bit off the boat here but the point was D.D. survivor. all thouse that belive other wise hop on the Judge list and email them the question to get an official answer, its their job. they arnt just not going to do it.

everybody else including my self we need to take a relaxation pill and listen to some good tunes cuase were getting a little too tense.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
"You callin me a liar" - Take out Guy from Big Daddy.
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You always think we're fighting when we aren't, Krazy.

DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
other thread too, but i ahve the original 4 pages of specific questions and answers saved on my computer and there it is:

Ultimate Offering
Q: Can "Ultimate Offering" be activated during my opponent's
turn? If so, can I Normal Summon a monster in my opponent's
turn?
A: Yes. However, you can Normal Summon or Set a monster only
during your opponent's Battle Phase if you use this effect in
your opponent's turn. Of course, you can also activate the
effect in your turn, but only in your Main Phase.
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DaGuy, I don't know where this is from, but in the time I've been playing the game, it was never pat of the FAQ. If this is going farther back then that, then okay. But since I've been playing the rulings under Ultimate Offering have always been blank. Aside from that, this reads like a Judges List message, and not a ruling.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
DaGuy, I don't know where this is from, but in the time I've been playing the game, it was never pat of the FAQ. If this is going farther back then that, then okay. But since I've been playing the rulings under Ultimate Offering have always been blank. Aside from that, this reads like a Judges List message, and not a ruling.
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Page 1 of the FAQ of the original FAQ attached.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
You always think we're fighting when we aren't, Krazy.


DaGuy, I don't know where this is from, but in the time I've been playing the game, it was never pat of the FAQ. If this is going farther back then that, then okay. But since I've been playing the rulings under Ultimate Offering have always been blank. Aside from that, this reads like a Judges List message, and not a ruling.
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when people start saying other people got angry then you know that somebody out there thinks somebody is angry, in this case it wasnt me but you know lets just be more nonchelant about the words we use and how we use them.

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Today is a good day.
 
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For the record (not that this proves anything, but still), the Ultimate Masters video game for GBA plays it so that "D.D. Survivor" does NOT come back to the field if destroyed in battle after being flipped from face-down defense position by an attack when "Banisher of the Light" is face-up on the field. I finally got the situation to come up and that's how it worked.
 
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Kyhotae said:
For the record (not that this proves anything, but still), the Ultimate Masters video game for GBA plays it so that "D.D. Survivor" does NOT come back to the field if destroyed in battle after being flipped from face-down defense position by an attack when "Banisher of the Light" is face-up on the field. I finally got the situation to come up and that's how it worked.
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Please tell me you aren't taking Tiso's place with this "Video Game" argument...

Im still trying to figure out how Smashing Ground destroys my monster and sends it to my opponents Graveyard, when I activate it on my opponents 0 defense monster. Let's leave the Video Game rulings right where they belong.
 
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