Return from the Different Dimension

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Chipp Zanuff

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Return from the Different Dimension
Trap card


Card text : Pay half of your Life Points. Special Summon as many of your monsters as possible that have been removed from play on your side of the field. During the End Phase, remove from play all monsters that were Special Summoned by this effect.



Can I special summon monsters that in their text have written "this card cannot be special summoned except..." with this card effect?


I'd also like to hear why the answer to this question would be yes or no...thank you!
 
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Return from the Different Dimension:
Pay half of your Life Points. Special Summon as many of your monsters as possible that have been removed from play on your side of the field. During the End Phase, remove from play all monsters that were Special Summoned by this effect.

Survivor of Another Dimension:
When this card is face-up on your field and it is removed from game from the field, special summon this card to the field at the end of turn.

Two different times, wouldn't you say?

Mm-hm. You'd be wrong. The card actually states "End Phase", not "End of Turn". I'll have to force someone to correct that.
 
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Oh well, it will still work, even if it does state, "end of the turn" or "End Phase", it will still return even during the same End Phase it was removed.

Good find CraniumX :D
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Yup. "End of the turn" and "End Phase" mean the same thing. They both occur during the End Phase. Wish they would just say that, though.
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They don't mean the same thing.

I was just saying no matter what it stated on the card text, it would work.
 
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This has been a very confusing area Rai.

They have even errata'd some of the cards to state "End Phase" as opposed to "end of the turn." I would agree with you, that they are different terminologies, but the card text in the past has mucked things up.

After looking at it now, it would seem that...

- The term "During the End Phase" refers to an effect (chained or continuous) that would resolve at some point during that End Phase and can be ordered by the controller.

- The term "At the end of the turn" refers to a continuous effect (or condition if you like) that will apply once the end of the turn is declared by the Turn Player, and will all resolve at once.

Your thoughts?
 
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novastar said:
- The term "At the end of the turn" refers to a continuous effect (or condition if you like) that will apply once the end of the turn is declared by the Turn Player, and will all resolve at once.
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I don't think anything resolves at the end of the end phase"¦ some effects expire at the end of the end phase (like an ATK increase).

If its something that needs to be "resolved" the end of the turn means sometime during the end phase.
 
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Doesn't change a thing. The End Phase of a turn is the end of a turn. Where else is an effect that resolves "at the end of the turn" going to resolve? The Standby Phase?
 
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Not necessarily. I could resolve "Change of Heart" first, forcing the Spirit back to my opponent before saying it returns to his hand. Looking at a few of the spirits, all it says is "This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn..." Doesn't say when either and this can be very important when used with say "Last Turn". You want it on the field in that case.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Not necessarily. I could resolve "Change of Heart" first, forcing the Spirit back to my opponent before saying it returns to his hand. Looking at a few of the spirits, all it says is "This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn..." Doesn't say when either and this can be very important when used with say "Last Turn". You want it on the field in that case.
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That's right. As the controler of Change of Heart you get to decide which effect resolves during the End Phase. The two phrases are synonymous.
 
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The End Phase and End of the Turn aren't the same.

I don't think the Pikeru's Circle of Enchantment ruling helps, all the ruling is to help point out how long the effect lasts, so that players wouldn't be confused with Pikeru's of Enchantment's text:

Pikeru's Circle of Enchantment
Normal Trap
Damage to the controller of this card from card effects becomes 0 until the End Phase of this turn.

It could mean that this effect last until the beginning of the End Phase, middle of the End Phase, or end of the End Phase.

Iv'e always seen End Phase and End of Turn 2 different steps in a turn.
 
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I know, but the text could be misleading at times, I experienced it when I got hit with a Ring of Destruction.... never making that mistake again.

Just my thoughts

I look at the End Phase and End of the Turn two different things:

1. You can activate effects during the End Phase
2. To the End of The Turn, you cannot activate effects, only Continuous Effects or Effects that specifically say they activate, conditions will be uplifted, or trigger effects take place during the End of The Turn.
 
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I'm sorry, but I think it's ridiculous to state that "end of the turn" and the "End Phase" are two different things.

An effect that lasts till the end of the turn lasts till the End Phase. An effect that triggers in the End Phase triggers at the end of the turn. It's the same thing. The End Phase concludes the turn. Why are you guys complicating something so elegantly simple?
 
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Simple.
You have two effects. One effect ends at the end of the turn. The other ends in the End Phase. You can't choose to resolve one before another, because the one that ends at the end of the turn ends after the one that ends in the End Phase. Saying that the End Phase is the same thing as "end of turn" would give you a wrong ruling that states you can decide which one ends first.
 
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