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I understand you can not respond with Royal Opression and use it's effect in the same chain, but my question is are you allowed to resolve thigns as so.

Player A activates Call of hte Haunted.
Player B Responds with Royal Opression

Player A recovers Mobius the Frost Monarch

Can Player B use the effect of Royal Opression in responce to Mobius the Frost Monarch comming into play because he was special summoned?
 
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Fiction said:
I understand you can not respond with Royal Opression and use it's effect in the same chain, but my question is are you allowed to resolve thigns as so.

Player A activates Call of hte Haunted.
Player B Responds with Royal Opression

Player A recovers Mobius the Frost Monarch

Can Player B use the effect of Royal Opression in responce to Mobius the Frost Monarch comming into play because he was special summoned?
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Let's see if I can actually nail one for a change ...

>> NO

You cannot start another chain while the current one is in the middle of resolving. By the time Royal Oppression's effect, being a Continuous Trap and all, is valid, the chain is already unwinding.

How's that guys? Close? Nail me on particulars? Oh, c'mon ... I try, I really do :D
 
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Isnt the chain finished resolving once the monster touches the field, which is why you can not play bottomless off a monster that was summoned through Call of the Haunted which was chained to a spell card. Because the monster touching the field is then not the last thing to happen it is the resolution of the spell card.
 
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JUST ONCE I WANT TO BE RIGHT. ONCE!​

You know ... on a couple other forums I was like rulings GOD. Here I wonder why I bother .... :D

*double sigh*

<bows out and crawls back into his little hole gathering rulings for RONIN ...>
 
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Was this finalized as a Yes Royal can negate the monster being special summoned or does someone like the mighty John Danker want to step up and put it into his words.
 
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As far as actual logic and rulings are concerned you can't respond to a summon with Royal Oppression. The problem comes from the Royal Oppression vs. Vampire Lord ruling where somehow Vampire Lord being negated and destroyed while in the graveyard allows it to reborn itself again. While the Sacred Phoenix vs. Divine Wrath ruling tells us that a card in the graveyard will not be "destroyed" while in the graveyard. Thus the wild speculation that Royal Oppression would have to be able to respond somehow to Vampire Lord leaving the graveyard and making everyone pull their hair out.

The ruling as far as anyone can actually give a ruling is:

No, you can not respond to a monster that has already been summoned by Royal Oppression. That type of thing is left to the likes of Bottomless Trap Hole and Torrential Tribute.

DJP952 is correct in his answer. We just have a problem with UDE not updating their rulings and that is why there is any question about this at all.
 
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Yeah, what he said ;) Now stop with the making me out to be some kind of legend huh? Don't you think I have enough presure with being a role model to two sons? Geeezzz! <laffin>

....and yes, the Royal Oppression / Vampire Lord is a question we're still trying to figure out...thus on the "Unsolved Mysteries" thread.
 
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No see Royal Opression was already in play face up when the monster reaches the field because it was played in response to the Call of the Haunted.

Taken from the NetRep.com rulings.
There are basically 2 ways to Special Summon a monster. The first way is with a Spell Card like "Monster Reborn", a Trap Card like "Call of the Haunted", or an Effect Monster like "Magical Scientist". The second way is built in to the monster, and Special Summons it without activating an effect, such as "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" or "Dark Necrofear". "Royal Oppression" can negate both of these types of Special Summon. In the first case, you chain the activation of "Royal Oppression"'s effect to the activation of the Spell, Trap, or Monster Card's effect, and negate the effect. In the second case, right before the monster is Special Summoned, you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" to negate the Special Summon (the same procedure that you use for "Horn of Heaven" or "Solemn Judgment").


So are you saying that Royal can not actually negate the monster touching the field but only the card used to revive it and bring it to the field?
 
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No, that's not what we're saying, we're saying you can't wait until the monster is summoned and then respond to the summon, better worded as anthonyj said...."...to a monster that has already been summoned" Let me put it another way. Once the summon is complete you can activate Bottomless Trap Hole, once the summon is complete you can't activate Royal Oppression's effect.
 
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Ok, let's see if I can 'break it down' for everybody and hopefully help clear a few things up here.

1st off, I'd like to state once again that I personally believe the "Royal Oppression"/"Vampire Lord" ruling is incorrect and seriously needs to be corrected or updated or removed.

Ok, now on to the 'splainin'-------------Part 1.

Same scenario as Fiction initially posted.

Player A activates "Call of the Haunted" targeting "Mobius" in the Graveyard. (Link 1)
Player B chains his face-down "Royal Oppression" to "Call", flipping it face-up. (Link 2)
Player A does not respond.
Chain link order Link 1 -> Link 2

Chain resolves in reverse order. (Link 2 -> Link 1)

Link 2:
"Royal Oppression" resolves but CANNOT be used until the chain completely resolves. This is because you cannot interrupt the resolution of a chain with ANY Triggered or Ignition 'like' effects. They MUST wait for the current chain to finish resolving BEFORE they can be activated and/or be triggered. HOWEVER; most, if not all, continuous effects CAN interrupt the chain resolution. This is why "Call" being chained to a Trap Card, or series of Trap Cards, to bring out "Jinzo" will be able to negate all of the Trap Cards waiting to resolve in the chain. "Jinzo"s effect is continuous and immediately becomes active once the effect that brought him to the field resolves completely. This is also why the "Call" + "Jowgen"/"Last Warrior" combo works to stop any Special Summoning effects in the current chain from resolving properly. The effects of both "Jowgen" and "Last Warrior" are continuous and become effective as soon as the effect that brought them to the field completely resolves.

Link 1:
"Call of the Haunted" resolves and "Mobius" gets Special Summoned to the field. Remember, you are still resolving an effect so there is NO chain point here, there is NO place to 'interrupt' the Special Summon.
At this point, the Special Summon is complete and CANNOT be negated, the timing for such things has been missed.
Now that the Special Summon is completed, both players can now RESPOND to the Special Summon with the Appropriate Spell/Trap cards like "Bottomless Trap Hole" or "Torrential Tribute". "Royal Oppression" CANNOT be used during this response window because there is nothing for it to negate. The Appropriate timing has been missed. The same goes for "Horn of Heaven" and "Solemn Judgment", but that's another thread topic. :p

Now, as I'm sure we're all WELL AWARE OF by now. Had "Royal Oppression" already been face-up when "Call of the Haunted" was activated, then Player B could have chained the effect of "Royal Oppression" to the activation of "Call of the Haunted" and stopped the ENTIRE activation AND effect from resolving.

There's more coming, but I hope this helps some...for now at least.
 
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Ok, now on to the 'splainin'-------------Part 2.

So, now for the 'other' way to use "Royal Oppression". You know, the way the other two cards work.

Here's how probably most everybody does it, which from what I gather is WRONG!

Player A has a face up "Royal Oppression".
Player B has "BLS - EotB" in hand, and the necessary Light and Dark monsters in the Graveyard.
It's Player B's turn.
Player B announces he is going to remove 1 Light and 1 Dark monster from his Graveyard to Special Summon "BLS - EotB", then proceeds to remove the monsters from his Graveyard.
Player B then Special Summons "BLS - EotB" to the field.
Player A waits until the monster is on the field and THEN activates the effect of his "Royal Oppression", by paying the 800 LPs, to negate the Special Summon of "BLS - EotB".

Does this LOOK wrong? I mean, this is how I play "Royal Oppression"/"Horn of Heaven"/"Solemn Judgment"...don't you?

From what I gather, based on other responses on other threads, THE FOLLOWING is how it is SUPPOSED to be done:

Player A has a face up "Royal Oppression".
Player B has "BLS - EotB" in hand, and the necessary Light and Dark monsters in the Graveyard.
It's Player B's turn.
Player B announces he is going to remove 1 Light and 1 Dark monster from his Graveyard to Special Summon "BLS - EotB", then proceeds to remove the monsters from his Graveyard.
Player A announces his intention to activate the effect of his "Royal Oppression" to negate the Special Summon of Player B's monster. This is BEFORE the monster ever touches the field mind you.
Player A pays the 800 LPs, and thus the chain has begun and Player B now has a chance to respond to the activation of Player A's effect.
Player B does not respond.
"Royal Oppression" resolves, negating the Special Summon, and destroying "BLS - EotB". The cards removed from play remain there and "BLS - EotB" is NOT considered to have been Special Summoned properly and CANNOT be reborn with "Call" or "Premature". This same procedure goes for "Horn of Heaven" and "Solemn Judgment" as well.

If I'm wrong, then somebody PLEASE correct me, because this is how I understand it to work now.
 
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[edit]There is nothing to see here!...move along please...move along!

The rambling idiot has come to his senses and has left the building.

Thank you.
 
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The initial question was could "Royal Oppression" be used to negate the Special Summon of "Mobius" by "Call of the Haunted", in a nutshell.

The answer is no, based on the scenario he put forth, because "Royal Oppression" was activated in a chain to "Call", and it's effect could not be used until the chain resolves. By that time, "Mobius" is already summoned and the timing to negate the summon has been missed.
 
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Tkwiget said:
So what's the answer to this question? (IMO the question was vague to begin with.)
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The question was could Royal Oppression be chained to Call of the Haunted. Then when Mobius is Special Summoned at the resolution of the chain, could the then face-up, resolved Royal Oppression be used to negate the Mobius summon.

The answer was yes it could be chained, but no, the effect could not be used based on the simple fact that Royal Oppression cannot negate an already successful, resolved summon.
 
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I think Ill answer here, if that's ok.....

If Call of the Haunted were activated and Royal Oppression is not face up, you can activate Royal Oppression as in flipping it face up. You cannot activate it at that time.
If Call of the Haunted were activated and there is a face up Royal Oppression on the field, you must declare your intention to use it BEFORE call resolves and brings the monster to the field.
And for the one thing skey, yeah, technically it is when the opponent declares 'remove ______ monster(s) of _____ type/subtype to attempt to summon ______ (fill in the blanks with your favorite removal-based special summon)' you must use the Royal Oppression before the monster hits the field.

I hope this is worded ok for everyone. Sorry if it isn't.
 
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