Slate Warrior

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Slate Warrior states the following:

FLIP: Increase the ATK and DEF of this monster by 500 points. The ATK and DEF of a monster that destroys this monster as a result of battle is decreased by 500 points.
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So the question i ask is this. If Slate Warrior was Normal Summoned and not flip summoned, does its 2nd effect activate; the one stating "the ATK and DEF of a monster that destroys this monster as a result of battle is decreased by 500 points". I wasnt quite sure as to the answer of this as it does say "FLIP".

So my first thoughts were that Slate Warrior's entire effect text is only activated from the flip, as its a flip effect monster.

If anyone could provide any insight to this, I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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Yeah, Slate Warriors one of those monsters that shows off two different effects. It's actually the card in YGO that I wish was worded like cards in VS are that have multiple effects and have both effects listed in two paragraphs. That way people would know that both effects are separate and that the flip only applies to to the 500/500 boost for Slate Warrior and not the destroyed by battle effect which minuses 500/500 from the opponent's monster.
 
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Slate Warrior:
"FLIP: Increase the ATK and DEF of this monster by 500 points. The ATK and DEF of a monster that destroys this monster as a result of battle is decreased by 500 points. "

Apprentice Magician:
"When this card is successfully Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned, or Special Summoned, put 1 Spell Counter on a face-up card on the field that you can put a Spell Counter on. If this card is destroyed in battle, you can select 1 Spellcaster-Type monster Level 2 or lower from your deck and Special Summon it on the field in face-down Defense Position. "

The text is almost the same, so I would say that if Apprentice is a field effect, so is Slate Warrior.

And about Winged Minion: It is tributed as a cost, so it's no longer on the field at the time it resolves, so it's not negated by Skill Drain.
 
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If Apprentice Magician and other cards with the text, "When this card is destroyed as a result of battle." are field effects then how come The End of Anubis negates them? Because The End of Anubis negates Mystic Tomato which activates in the Graveyard. There for if Apprentice Magician has the same line of text wouldn't it be catagorized as a Graveyard Effect as well? There for if Slate Warrior is destroyed by The End of Anubis based off this logic and past rulings, wouldn't that catagorize Slate Warrior as a Graveyard Effect?
 
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The cards like "Mystic Tomato" have the KEY phrase 'sent to the Graveyard', where "Apprentice Magician" and "Slate Warrior" don't contain that phrase. As a result, their effect is not considered a Graveyard effect because it's not dependent upon the monster being sent to the Graveyard. The effect would happen even if the monster was destroyed and removed from play(while "Banisher of the Light" was on the field.), or destroyed and returned to the deck (while "Grave Protector" was on the field).
 
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I asked those questions in case someone happened to mention them. You know, to clear up confusion in the future.

So if the monster says that it has to be destroyed as a result of battle but doesn't say where it has to land. Then assume that the effect will activate on the field. =)
 
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In simpler words, the condition is that it has to be on the field it will be negated by Skill Drain, if not it "resolves on the field" as previously stated.

For the Anubis part, it refers to the "sent to the graveyard" text, if not on the card don't worry, it'll resolve as normal
 
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Even though Slate Warrior's effect doesn't not contain the "sent to the Graveyard" text it is timed the same way. Skill Drain will not negate it.

Conversely, I believe that EoA would negate Slate Warrior's effect in the event that it was sent to the Graveyard.

Lets understand, any effect activated from a card in the Graveyard at the time the effect initiates activation will be negated by EoA. It does not have to contain text specifically stating so.
 
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But they ruled that Apprentice Magician resolves while she's still on the field:

Because "Apprentice Magician"'s effect is not a Graveyard effect, the controller of "Apprentice Magician" at the time it is destroyed as a result of battle gets its effect. So if I take control of my opponent's "Apprentice Magician", and it is destroyed as a result of battle, then I Special Summon, not the original owner.
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Although Slate Warrior also doesn't mention the Graveyard it's wording is slightly different, is it a case of Slate Warrior's wording just being off and it should mention the Graveyard?
 
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daivahataka said:
But they ruled that Apprentice Magician resolves while she's still on the field: Although Slate Warrior also doesn't mention the Graveyard it's wording is slightly different, is it a case of Slate Warrior's wording just being off and it should mention the Graveyard?
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This is why the game is so incredibly dependent on the "Official Rulings". It is sometimes unclear just from the wording of a card how Konami means for it to function. In the case of Slate Warrior they mean for the effect to activate when it leaves the field, for Apprentice Magician it happens before leaving the field.
 
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