Snatch Steal Effect

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Is the effect of Snatch Steal a continuous efect or a One-Shot effect??

Ex. 1.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent later activates Imperial Order, will the monster return to my opponent Side?? if so, what happens when Imperial Order is Destroyed/Removed, will it return to my side again???

Ex. 2.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent activate Remove Brainwashing and the monster return return to my opponent Side, What happens when Remove Brainwashing is Destroyed/Removed, will the monster to my side again???


Ex. 3.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and then i play Creatur Swap and give my opponent the equiped monster, Will the equiped monster return to my side after Creature Swap resolve???

As far as I remember most (if not all) Equip Spell Cards have continuous effects.

I have checked the rules in the official page and in the card registry but i just got confused my self, any help in this would be very appreciated.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
What is it with you guys always forcing me to actually think about things? This whole thread is disrupting my Jedi calming techniques. :(
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What? Do you think you're the only person around here who's brain hurts at the end of an hour of looking through these ruling threads? NOT!

The discussion in these threads teaches all of us a great deal and helps to reason out doubts in all of our minds. I've seen a good many Yugioh websites and from what I've seen we have far and away the most in depth, serious, and constructive rulings analysis threads of all of them. I learn things on a daily basis here and I'm sure I always will.

Yugioh rulings are one of those things in life that, the more you know, the more you realize you DON'T know!
 
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ok this is what i think i may be wrong but o well


if you play snach steal and take my monster then end turn
now i play imperol order and end turn
you draw mystical space typhoon and destroy imperol order

i think that you would regain control becaue it is 1 a contunes effect and two you still controle the monster control it even tho it was negated for a bit just like chang of heart you take control for a bit but it returnes to the one who controles it

but if you play creator swap i think that you would not regain control because you make your self take control of it and the effect of snach steal diseapers but since it is a eguiped magic card it stayes but i am not shure if you still get a 1000 life points because you opponet no longer controles the monster
 
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burning soler flare said:
if you play snach steal and take my monster then end turn
now i play imperol order and end turn
you draw mystical space typhoon and destroy imperol order

i think that you would regain control becaue it is 1 a contunes effect and two you still controle the monster control it even tho it was negated for a bit just like chang of heart you take control for a bit but it returnes to the one who controles it
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Well, it's pretty much been established that while Imperial Order is active Snatch Steal is negated and control returns to the previous controler, until imperial is destroyed.

burning soler flare said:
but if you play creator swap i think that you would not regain control because you make your self take control of it and the effect of snach steal diseapers but since it is a eguiped magic card it stayes but i am not shure if you still get a 1000 life points because you opponet no longer controles the monster
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Yup, and yup.
 
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burning soler flare said:
ok this is what i think i may be wrong but o well

if you play snach steal and take my monster then end turn
now i play imperol order and end turn
you draw mystical space typhoon and destroy imperol order
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Perhaps you thought too quickly here. If you activated Imperial Order and ended your turn I would not be able to destroy it with Mystical Space Typhoon during my next turn, Imperial Order would negate the effect of Mystical Space Typhoon.

burning soler flare said:
i think that you would regain control becaue it is 1 a contunes effect and two you still controle the monster control it even tho it was negated for a bit just like chang of heart you take control for a bit but it returnes to the one who controles it
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I don't believe anyone is debating that if Imperial Order is sent to the graveyard or destroyed the monster equip. with Snatch Steal would return to the side of the field that Snatch Steal resides.

burning soler flare said:
but if you play creator swap i think that you would not regain control because you make your self take control of it and the effect of snach steal diseapers but since it is a eguiped magic card it stayes but i am not shure if you still get a 1000 life points because you opponet no longer controles the monster
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We've already established that a monster taken control of with Snatch Steal and then taken control of with Creature Swap does not revert back to the side of the field which Snatch Steal resides. You are correct in that Snatch Steal would remain equip. and the opposing player to Snatch Steal would continue to gain 1000 lp. each turn.

I appreciate your input, effort, and thoughts. It may be a good idea, however, to read the entire thread before commenting to get a better grasp of the conversation and where it's going. We'll look forward to your future posts! :)
 
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John Danker said:
What? Do you think you're the only person around here who's brain hurts at the end of an hour of looking through these ruling threads? NOT!

The discussion in these threads teaches all of us a great deal and helps to reason out doubts in all of our minds. I've seen a good many Yugioh websites and from what I've seen we have far and away the most in depth, serious, and constructive rulings analysis threads of all of them. I learn things on a daily basis here and I'm sure I always will.

Yugioh rulings are one of those things in life that, the more you know, the more you realize you DON'T know!
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I second that...

Now what we need to do, is take a hold on this game and make it better. As consumers/players/judges we should collectively get Konami to do our bidding... instead of the other way around.

I remember a debate we had on Realms concerning the new format with Official rulings and that the Official Site was going to be the place to get rulings (the Official Card FAQ). A certain Netrepâ„¢ at the time mentioned that rumour had it, that it was parent who had complained that had caused the changes. Many argued that it was a bad move, but the concensis of the of Judges present was that it was the best thing to happen in the long run.

I personally think it was, and we far less problems in the long run with issues, and any small ones we simply ask on the Board.

I urge children and parents alike to pay attention to this game and it rules. If you find something wrong... complain, and keep Konami/UDE on this toes.

As far as this ruling is concerned, i have that going down in flames feeling. I think John is going to be correct on this one. It will be fun.
 
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John Danker said:
We got the answer alright....but seldom is there any mechanics explained.
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There is one question that still remains in my head...

What happens if Remove Brainwashing is active already and Snatch Steal is played?

Since both are continuous and would overlap on the object, how would the effects be applied?

This might very well be a case of Timestamp resolution.
 
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novastar said:
There is one question that still remains in my head...

What happens if Remove Brainwashing is active already and Snatch Steal is played?

Since both are continuous and would overlap on the object, how would the effects be applied?

This might very well be a case of Timestamp resolution.
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I'm assuming (dangerous I know) that the rulings for Remove Brainwashing cover that.

Remove Brainwashing ruling...

When "Remove Brainwashing" is already active on the field and a switching effect is activated, or "Remove Brainwashing" is chained to a switching effect and is thus active before the switching effect resolves, control switches due to the effect but then switches back to the original owner because of "Remove Brainwashing". So for "Creature Swap", control is changed but then control goes back to the original owners. This means that if you give control of "Griggle" or "Ameba" to your opponent, their effect IS activated even though "Griggle"/"Ameba" then returns to the original owner's control afterwards.
 
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It looks like we got the answer to the "Remove Brainwashing" vs." Snatch Steal" question?

I'm begining to see more play from the trap card Remove Brainwashing. There is, however, confusion over it's effect. I'm under the impression from the rulings on it that once the monster has returned to the owner's side of the field it's permanent regardless of weather Remove Brainwashing is destroyed at a later time. The subject of Snatch Steal vs. Remove Brainwashing being destroyed is being debated though.

Example:

Mike activates Snatch Steal and takes control of Brian's Summoned Skull.
Mike announces his attack with that Summoned Skull and Brian activates
Remove Brainwashing in response taking back control of his own Summoned Skull.
Mike sets a Dust Tornado and ends his turn.

Brian draws, adds 1000 lp to his life points from Snatch Steal, then elects to move to his battle phase attacking Mike's open field. Mike responds to the attack by flipping up his Dust Tornado targeting Brian's Remove Brainwashing.

Does Brian's Summoned Skull return to Mike's side of the field as it's still equipped with Snatch Steal, or is the return to its owner permanent?



Answer:

Mike reclaims control of the equipped "Summoned Skull" when "Remove Brainwashing" is removed from the field.

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Thanks Jonk for posting it to the Judge List.
 
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Now the only doubt I got is :

Why the same does not apply to "Creature Swap"?

Based on this rule I should be able to take one of my opponent's monster with "Snatch Steal", then use "Creature Swap" and give him the snatched monster, after resolution of "Creature Swap" I should regain control of the monster equipped with "Snatch Steal" and end with both of my opponent monsters.

Please help me understand this last one"¦
 
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