Snatch Steal Effect

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Blackscorp

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Is the effect of Snatch Steal a continuous efect or a One-Shot effect??

Ex. 1.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent later activates Imperial Order, will the monster return to my opponent Side?? if so, what happens when Imperial Order is Destroyed/Removed, will it return to my side again???

Ex. 2.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent activate Remove Brainwashing and the monster return return to my opponent Side, What happens when Remove Brainwashing is Destroyed/Removed, will the monster to my side again???


Ex. 3.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and then i play Creatur Swap and give my opponent the equiped monster, Will the equiped monster return to my side after Creature Swap resolve???

As far as I remember most (if not all) Equip Spell Cards have continuous effects.

I have checked the rules in the official page and in the card registry but i just got confused my self, any help in this would be very appreciated.
 
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Blackscorp said:
Now the only doubt I got is :

Why the same does not apply to "Creature Swap"?

Based on this rule I should be able to take one of my opponent's monster with "Snatch Steal", then use "Creature Swap" and give him the snatched monster, after resolution of "Creature Swap" I should regain control of the monster equipped with "Snatch Steal" and end with both of my opponent monsters.

Please help me understand this last one"¦
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Nope, once monster is "Creature Swap"ed, "Snatch Steal"'s effect of controlling the monster is crippled permanently. It will no longer control that monster, but it will stay equiped to it and your opponent still gains LP.

"Remove Brainwashing" is different, because it does not cripple "Snatch Steal"'s control effect permanently, it only supercedes its authority over "Snatch Steal" while it is active.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Remove Brainwashing cuts the control of Snatch Steal, so even if it is removed afterwards, it does not re-activate the Snatch portion of its effect, but life points gain is still given because its still equipped.
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I'm afraid that's not the way Curtis ruled it on the judge's list. He ruled that when Remove Brainwashing is destroyed the monster returns to the side of the field Snatch Steal resides on.

If I do nothing else on here I at least seem to be good at starting threads that are provoking thought and getting a lot of input!
 
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icecold said:
what if there are two snatches on one monster would the monster go to the person who most recently activated snatch?
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The latest Snatch Steal would take precedence, meaning, whoever last played Snatch Steal, gets the monster, but both get life point gain.
 
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John Danker said:
I'm afraid that's not the way Curtis ruled it on the judge's list. He ruled that when Remove Brainwashing is destroyed the monster returns to the side of the field Snatch Steal resides on.

If I do nothing else on here I at least seem to be good at starting threads that are provoking thought and getting a lot of input!
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Then that's kind of contradictory, but nothing new....
 
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John Danker said:
That's what I thought. As I said earlier in this thread, i look forward to having it explained to me by an official source....not just a ruling.
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I'm not an Official Source but i'll tell you why i thought it worked from the beginning.

Remove Brainwashing interacts with Continuous Effects differently than it does One-Shot modifiers.

When both Remove Brainwashing and Snatch Steal are opposing each other, they essentially are doing the same thing. Remove Brainwashing does not "remove" Snatch Steal's effect, it simply overrides it for the time it is active on the Field. (Lets not get into Timestamping for now)

Snatch Steal is completely different than either Creature Swap, Change of Heart, Enemy Controller or any other effect that applies a One-Shot effect that changes control.

Snatch Steal, whether people want to believe it or not, is continuously targeting and controlling the monster.
 
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novastar said:
Snatch Steal is completely different than either Creature Swap, Change of Heart, Enemy Controller or any other effect that applies a One-Shot effect that changes control.
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FACTS:
  1. If Horus LV6 is Flipped Summon after being "Change of Heart", it will go back to the original owner.
  2. If Horus LV6 is flipped face-up after being "Creature Swap" by "Book of Taiyou" it will remain in the new controller.
  3. "Change of Heart" and "Creature Swap" may be one-shot, but CoH's effect is still on the field (but can't be negated by "Imperial Order")
novastar said:
Snatch Steal, whether people want to believe it or not, is continuously targeting and controlling the monster.
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If this is true, then how come "Creature Swap" overrides "Snatch Steal" when CS is Activated after SS resolves?
 
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novastar said:
I'm not an Official Source....
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You're 'official' enough for most of us here!

You and John, and densetsu and Dlanaan (forgive me if I leave anyone out).

Usually you guys are right on the money with rulings and reasoning and answers and templates (;)) and stuff.

The only time I disagree or 'argue' with any of you guys is when I still don't truly understand why the answer is what it is (the Big Bang Shot thread for instance).

Btw..I agree with your reasoning in this situation.
 
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[ycard="LOB-EN053" said:
Raigeki[/ycard]]If this is true, then how come "Creature Swap" overrides "Snatch Steal" when CS is Activated after SS resolves?
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This is the reason why Snatch Steal cannot continually Target, or it would then Snatch the monster back.

Once control is "broken", I dont see how it gets repaired, and I think Curtis may have overlooked Reasoning his ruling out on Snatch Steal vs Remove Brainwashing destruction. It's not like he, or anyone else has been wrong before....
 
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novastar said:
Snatch Steal, whether people want to believe it or not, is continuously targeting and controlling the monster.
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**Touched**

We only need that ruling removed from the Official FAQ Page or Some kind of Dark Magician that explain what kind of dark forces are at work behind the creation of this rule.
 
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Raigekick said:
FACTS:
  1. If Horus LV6 is Flipped Summon after being "Change of Heart", it will go back to the original owner.
  2. If Horus LV6 is flipped face-up after being "Creature Swap" by "Book of Taiyou" it will remain in the new controller.
  3. "Change of Heart" and "Creature Swap" may be one-shot, but CoH's effect is still on the field (but can't be negated by "Imperial Order")
If this is true, then how come "Creature Swap" overrides "Snatch Steal" when CS is Activated after SS resolves?
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You not getting it, Remove Brainwashing is a Continuous Effect.... it is not like Creature Swap...

Similar to Skill Drain it removes conditions and and/or control established by previous One-Shot effects.

However, when going up against a Continuous Effect such as Snatch Steal, it simply overrides the control for the time it is active itself.

Then when removed, control returns back to the controller of Snatch Steal.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
This is the reason why Snatch Steal cannot continually Target, or it would then Snatch the monster back.

Once control is "broken", I dont see how it gets repaired, and I think Curtis may have overlooked Reasoning his ruling out on Snatch Steal vs Remove Brainwashing destruction. It's not like he, or anyone else has been wrong before....
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Its because you think Remove Brainwashing is like Creature Swap, and it is not...

It is a Continuous Effect, and will merly oppose Snatch Steal for the time it is active...thats it. It does not "cut-off" control as you say.
 
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Here is my summary on this:

"Change of Heart":
  1. One shot control (non-continuous)
  2. It's effect is still on the monster it's controlling, but not negatable by "Imperial Order" if IO is played after CoH resolves. (This is the reason why Horus LV6 goes back to the original owner when Flipped Summon after taken control by CoH)
"Creature Swap":
  1. One shot control (non-continuous)
  2. It's effect is no longer on the monster after it resolves. (This is the reason why Horus LV6 stays to the new owner when Flipped Summon on the next turn after switching control by "Creature Swap")
  3. This card permanently breaks the Continuous Monster Controlling Effect from cards like "Snatch Steal" and "Dark Necrofear"
"Snatch Steal":
  1. Continuous Effect, until broken by cards like "Creature Swap" (NOT broken by "Change of Heart", "Snatch Steal", or "Remove Brainwashing" since these cards don't permanently break control)
  2. This card overrides Continuous Monster Controlling Effect from cards like "Snatch Steal" and "Dark Necrofear" using Time Stamp Game Mechanics.
"Remove Brainwashing":
  1. This is a continuous effect. Duh!
  2. For "one shot control" effects, give monsters to the original owner. (example are "Change of Heart" and "Creature Swap")
  3. For "Continuous Monster Control Effects", overrides them while "Remove Brainwashing" is Active on the Field. (examples are "Snatch Steal" and "Dark Necrofear")
Are these accurate?
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Man, that's the only explanation so far that has't caused migranes. :) (No offense to anyone who offered explanations. It's just a complicated issue.) For me anyway.
 
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Raigekick has effectively compiled the contents of this thread in what now appears to be a simple subject matter....it didn't start out that way mind you! A great thanks to all those who contributed to this thread and worked to try to reason it out. This is exactly the type of discussion and input that make our website the most outstanding in the game.
 
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John Danker said:
Raigekick has effectively compiled the contents of this thread in what now appears to be a simple subject matter....it didn't start out that way mind you! A great thanks to all those who contributed to this thread and worked to try to reason it out. This is exactly the type of discussion and input that make our website the most outstanding in the game.
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I can second to that John Danker, I enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh! very much.
 
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