strike ninja
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masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
It will still return to the Original Owner. Monsters removed from play no longer have any conditions placed on them that affected them while they were on the field.
Once a monster that has changed control returns to the field, it returns to the Original Owner.
All you have to do is think back to the days of Monster Reborn.
Once you summon a monster from your opponents Graveyard, you now become the original owner. You didnt summon Strike Ninja to the field. Strike Ninja is not being Special Summoned "back" to the field by his effect, just returning, so he would not remain on the new controllers side of the field.
Once a monster that has changed control returns to the field, it returns to the Original Owner.
All you have to do is think back to the days of Monster Reborn.
Once you summon a monster from your opponents Graveyard, you now become the original owner. You didnt summon Strike Ninja to the field. Strike Ninja is not being Special Summoned "back" to the field by his effect, just returning, so he would not remain on the new controllers side of the field.
John Danker
Administrator
<puzzled> Huh? The original owner is ALWAYS the original owner.
Wait a second here...Let me ask this again.
If I "Snatch Steal" "Strike Ninja", then "Book of Moon" him, he stays on MY side of the field now, until sent to the Graveyard, or returned to the hand, or returned to the deck correct?
So if I activate his effect and remove him from play, he will return to MY side of the field and stay there, correct? He is now considered MY monster correct?
I understand what happens when "Snatch Steal" is still active and he is removed from play. He comes back to my side, then immediately reverts back to the 'original' owner's side. That makes perfect sense.
If I "Snatch Steal" "Strike Ninja", then "Book of Moon" him, he stays on MY side of the field now, until sent to the Graveyard, or returned to the hand, or returned to the deck correct?
So if I activate his effect and remove him from play, he will return to MY side of the field and stay there, correct? He is now considered MY monster correct?
I understand what happens when "Snatch Steal" is still active and he is removed from play. He comes back to my side, then immediately reverts back to the 'original' owner's side. That makes perfect sense.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Well, case in point.John Danker said:
If I use Monster Reborn to Special Summon my opponents Cyber End Dragon (that was properly summoned the first time) from the Graveyard, and my opponent activates Snatch Steal on his turn (since I didnt kill him... lol), and on my subsequent turn (since he didnt kill me either!!! lol), I activate Mystical Space Typhoon, who's side does he return too? He comes to me because I am the owner; albeit, not the Original, Original Owner, but the Original Controller (what I should have said), and it wouldnt stay on his side of the field, even though he is the one who will be taking the card home after the Match.
player A summons Strike Ninja
player B snatches and Book of Moons Strike Ninja
player B flips him face up, and
player A uses Trap Hole
player B uses his effect, during end turn when the ninja returns whose side does it come back on?
im not sure what masterwoo is trying to say.....
are u saying that itll return to player A, since he originally summoned it?
player B snatches and Book of Moons Strike Ninja
player B flips him face up, and
player A uses Trap Hole
player B uses his effect, during end turn when the ninja returns whose side does it come back on?
im not sure what masterwoo is trying to say.....
are u saying that itll return to player A, since he originally summoned it?
Masterwo0 means to say "previous controller" not "original owner". There is only one owner to any any card.
mikoal said:
Strike Ninja would return to Player B's side of the field. There is no residual ownership issue here. Strike Ninja is under the control of Player B free and clear (unless somebody activates Remove Brainwashing at least). Leaving the field and coming back has no effect on that.
Actually no. Strike Ninja will always return to its owner after it returns from out of play. Its effect temporarily returns it to the previous controller's side of the field, but it returns to the owner immediatly after that.
That only happens when Snatch Steal was still attached when it activated it's effect. Where do we have confirmation that removed from play = Remove Brainwashing?
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
What I don't understand is, the ruling for Monster Reborn and Remove Brainwashing makes it seem as though if Remove Brainwashing is already active, or not immediately chained to Monster Reborn, the monster will not change control if it is later activated (but not in a chain to) during that turn or a subsequent turn.
Ruling #4?
Monsters affected by "Creature Swap" do not return to their owner's control at the end of the turn, they stay under the opponent's control until removed from the field or a card effect such as "Remove Brainwashing" says otherwise.
Monsters affected by "Creature Swap" do not return to their owner's control at the end of the turn, they stay under the opponent's control until removed from the field or a card effect such as "Remove Brainwashing" says otherwise.
That looks like a poorly worded UDE ruling. It could be referring to the monster returning to the Original Owner's hand if bounced by Penguin Soldier or Compulsory Evacuation Device. Neither Strike Ninja nor Interdimensional Matter Transporter say anything at all about changing control of a monster back to the Original Owner.
Ruling 2?
If you control your opponent's monster because of "Change of Heart" or "Snatch Steal", and remove the monster with "Interdimensional Matter Transporter", the monster returns to your side of the field, then immediately returns to your opponent's side of the field.
If you control your opponent's monster because of "Change of Heart" or "Snatch Steal", and remove the monster with "Interdimensional Matter Transporter", the monster returns to your side of the field, then immediately returns to your opponent's side of the field.
As I've said before Change of Heart only affects the monster for that round so it would certainly return to the Original Owner after returning with IMT. And Snatch Steal is only temporarily holding control as long as it is equipped, the Original Controller is still the Original Owner. We have never received a ruling that would actually equate to removed from play = Remove Brainwashing. It would be nice to see what the Judge's List has to say about it.
<sigh> okay lets try d.d. scout plane.
It is the OWNER of "D. D. Scout Plane" that Special Summons it. Even if your opponent controls your "D. D. Scout Plane", if it is removed from play, you get to Special Summon it.
It is the OWNER of "D. D. Scout Plane" that Special Summons it. Even if your opponent controls your "D. D. Scout Plane", if it is removed from play, you get to Special Summon it.
Okay. I'm not convinced that is reverting control so much as making the effect available only to the owner while it is removed from play. But as I don't have any other ruling to refer to I guess I'll ask if somebody would mind posting the following to the Judge's List:
If Player A gains Player B's Strike Ninja through Exchange or Creature Swap and Player A activates Strike Ninja's effect. Will Strike Ninja revert to Player B's side of the field after returning from removed from play?
If Player A gains Player B's Strike Ninja through Exchange or Creature Swap and Player A activates Strike Ninja's effect. Will Strike Ninja revert to Player B's side of the field after returning from removed from play?