Tokens, Tokens, Who's Got Da Tokens?

Roan Studio

Roan Studio

A bheil an caora?
Sorry for revisiting an old subject. I'm in the process of creating Token Cards and I want to make sure I get the rulings right. I intend to reproduce them on the Token Cards so that there is no argument as to what we can do with which.

Scapegoat Tokens:
Cannot be used for a tribute summon, but okay for Toon trib
1. Now, can they be used for *all* Special Summons and not just Toons? Everyone has been asking about Toons, but I don't see anything specifically related to other Specials. I would like a clarification please :)

(why the hoo-ha didn't they use goats instead of sheep? Or is that related to the language translation?)

Stray Lambs:
From what I can gather, Stray Lambs are really pretty much just regular monster cards with a "turn they are summoned" restriction. However:
1. Can Stray Lambs be flipped face down? Scapegoat specifically says you cannot, but there is nothing on the Stray Lambs card.

Mòran taing,
Roan
 
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1. You can use them as Tributes for ANYTHING other than Tribute Summons (defined basically as: "A Normal Summon where you must Tribute 1 or more monster.")

2. I think if the Tokens get flipped face-down they are removed from play, but I am not too sure of this.
 
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Furthermore, the Stray Lambs card says, "Special Summon 2 . . . blah blah . . . in Defense Position on your side of the field."


Can that mean face-down defense?

Roan
 
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Blue-Eyes Black said:
1. You can use them as Tributes for ANYTHING other than Tribute Summons (defined basically as: "A Normal Summon where you must Tribute 1 or more monster.")
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Blargh. So you are saying that for any Monster that is a Special Summon that requires a Tribute, one can use a Scapegoat Token?

2. I think if the Tokens get flipped face-down they are removed from play, but I am not too sure of this.
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Hrm, now that I can't see. There's nothing in the Errata that mentions that at all.

Tapadh leibh,
Roan
 
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Scapegoat tokens can be used in special summons for anything (cept rituals obviously seeing as they have no level) EG Toon Monsters, also they can be used to pay for attacks from monsters such as Panther Warrior


They're always special summoned in face up def, because any monster Special Summoned is *always* in face up regardless of position, they can't be flipped face down as far as I remember cos they're effectively not monsters


EDIT - Darn beat me to it lol
 
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Spike Kaiba said:
Scapegoat tokens can be used in special summons for anything (cept rituals obviously seeing as they have no level) EG Toon Monsters, also they can be used to pay for attacks from monsters such as Panther Warrior

They're always special summoned in face up def, because any monster Special Summoned is *always* in face up regardless of position, they can't be flipped face down as far as I remember cos they're effectively not monsters

EDIT - Darn beat me to it lol
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They Do have levels. A scapegoat token can be offered as a tribute for Relinquished or all 4 can be offered for Paladin of White Dragon.
 
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Spike Kaiba said:
Scapegoat tokens can be used in special summons for anything (cept rituals obviously seeing as they have no level) EG Toon Monsters, also they can be used to pay for attacks from monsters such as Panther Warrior
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Right! Personally, I wish they would use the word "Tribute" for Summoning situations and "Sacrifice" for any other use. In other words, you can use them as a Sacrifice or a Special Tribute, but not as a regular Tribute.

That would really help deferentiate between the two situations.

They're always special summoned in face up def, because any monster Special Summoned is *always* in face up regardless of position, they can't be flipped face down as far as I remember cos they're effectively not monsters
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Ah, I missed that! You beaned the barn right on the roof. It says "Special Summon 2 Lamb . . .blah . . .". Right, face-up only.

What about the effects of Spell cards, such as Book of Moon, or Monster Effects like Desertapir or Inferno Hammer?

It would be nice to activate A Feint Plan to protect your Scapegoats until your next turn.
 
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Duelmaster said:
A arcticle about Tokens writed by Curtis Schultz.

http://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=974
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Great article! Thanks for the link.

IMHO UDE needs to add that bit about face-down Tokens to all token Errata and not just on Book of Moon. In order to find that ruling, I would have to look up all cards that flip things face-down and then check each and every one. Not easy to find.

Better yet, add that ruling to the general rule book since it applies to all tokens.

Mar sin leibh,
Roan
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
They Do have levels. A scapegoat token can be offered as a tribute for Relinquished or all 4 can be offered for Paladin of White Dragon.
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Hrm, since they have levels and an attribute and a type, can I staple an Axe of Despair or two to one and throw a few wacks at my opponent? :cool:

Heh.
Roan
 
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Just to verify a few things mentioned above, Tokens CANNOT be flipped face down at any time. If they were to be flipped face down by some effect, they would be destroyed. But since they cannot be flipped face down, cards like Book of Moon and Tsuyukomi cannot target them. If a token was the only monster on the field, you couldn't activate BoM at all.

Other than that, Tokens are considered normal monsters, with all the rights and privileges therein. They can receive equip cards, they count towards the monster count for United We Stand and what have you. Just rememember, that when they are destroyed, they cease to exist, so things like Last Will wouldn't work on a token because it has to go to the graveyard, which never happens wiht a token.

Hope this helps!
 
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If tokens would be forced face-down, they are simply not turned face-down. They are not destroyed. Tokens cannot be targeted by Book of Moon, etc. because they cannot be turned face-down.
 
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Roan Studio said:
Right! Personally, I wish they would use the word "Tribute" for Summoning situations and "Sacrifice" for any other use.
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EXACTLY! that terminology created a billion problems in casual play.
i think i'm not the only one who had a dispute with various opponents
concearning what&when can you tribute.
all offcourse ending in me searching the netrep or else and finding i
was right (or wrong ;))
 
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branas said:
EXACTLY! that terminology created a billion problems in casual play.
i think i'm not the only one who had a dispute with various opponents
concearning what&when can you tribute.
all offcourse ending in me searching the Netrepâ„¢ or else and finding i
was right (or wrong ;))
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Well, maybe if we click our heels together and chant, "It's time to duel!" three times, they'll do something about it :p

Looks like we're not in Toto anymore, Kansas

Les meas,
Roan
 
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Roan Studio said:
Well, maybe if we click our heels together and chant, "It's time to duel!" three times, they'll do something about it :p

Looks like we're not in Toto anymore, Kansas

Les meas,
Roan
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A nice fantasy <soft chuckle> The problem is, Konami has this thing about the English and all other language cards having the same text as the Japanesse cards do regardless of weather it explains it well in our language or not. They're really strict on this subject.
 
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John Danker said:
A nice fantasy <soft chuckle> The problem is, Konami has this thing about the English and all other language cards having the same text as the Japanesse cards do regardless of weather it explains it well in our language or not. They're really strict on this subject.
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Interesting . . . the same text? Whomever is doing the translations is actually doing quite a good job considering the huge differences in the languages.

I had thought that one possible reason for the global use of the word "tribute" was due to the censorship. If you think about it, how many parents in the USA and Canada would flip if they realized their kid(s) was summoning demons -- fantasy or no -- by sacrificing other monsters? Witchcraft. Satanism. Salem revisited. :eek: <-- I love that EEEK! Icon

Think of the correlation:

In order to summon the demon and have them do your bidding, you have to offer a sacrifice (tributes) strong enough to force it to appear and bind it to your wish.

A demon is summoned onto the playing field, which they can't leave (pentagram).

I'll leave it there. Best left unsaid, I think, because people will take it too far :rolleyes:

Les meas,
Roan
 
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