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polyloc

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Player A has Gearfried the Iron Night and a face down trap card.
Player B has two monster Gemini Elf and Beserk Gorilla.
Player B Gemini Elf atttacks Gerafried.
Player A activated his face down blast with chains, overpowering Gearfried to 2300 Attack points, destroying the attacking Gemini Elf and then Beserk Gorilla is destroy by the second effect of blast with chains. Is this true?....or I just dream about it. By the way blast with chains was activate it during the damage step. hmmm.....
 
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Link 1: Gearfried the Iron Knight's effect.
Link 2: Blast with Chain's effect.

Link 2 resolves before Link 1 resolves. Since Blast with Chain forces Gearfried the Iron Knight's effect to become Link 1 in the chain.

Once Blast with Chain resolves completely, it will stay on Gearfried for the duration of time until Gearfried's effect resolves and destroys the Blast with Chain.

Result, Player A can destroy one card on the field and then Gemini Elf kills Gearfried the Iron Knight.

Please, someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
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As per rule book version 5.0
DAMAGE STEP
-Flip target card face up if face down:
No aplicable
-Calculate and apply damage:
blast with chain boost Gearfried to 2300
Gemini Elf is destroy.
-Resolve effects:
Gearfried effect activates destroying blast with chain
Blast with chain effect activates destroying Beserk Gorilla.
-Send to the Graveyard
END STEP

maybe????
 
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No, I don't think that's right.

Let me rework it.

Link 1: Blast with Chain's effect.
Link 2: Gearfried the Iron Knight's effect.

Gearfried resolves first destroying the Blast with Chain.

Result, Player A still can destroy a card on the field.

I think this ruling of mine is more accurate.
 
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I retype my second thread. Please analyze it. Thanks
Moreover on in rulebook version 5.0 page 28, second paragraph states,"....During the damage step, only quick play spell cards or traps cards that modify the attack and or defense of a monster may be activated. In addtion this cards can only be played before the damage calculcation." Such blast with chain.,,,wheww
 
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Card # BPT-012
Card Name Gearfried the Iron Knight
Card Type Monster
Monster Type Warrior
Attribute EARTH
Level 4
Attack 1800
Defense 1600
Is Effect Yes
Is Fusion No
Is Ritual No
Is Union No
Is Spirit No
Is Toon No
Card Text
When an Equip Spell Card is equipped to this card, destroy the Equip Spell Card.
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That is the only information now that you need. Blast with Chain would be destroyed the moment Gearfried the Iron Knight's effect resolves. Which is right after Blast with Chain. This is a chain of card effects that resolve before Gemini Elf or Beserk Gorilla kills Gearfried the Iron Knight via as a result of battle.
 
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Don't count your chickens early, I am only a Level 1 Judge, and I will admit I've been wrong. Wrong a lot lately in fact. =/

If someone knows if this ruling of mine is wrong, please give the correct one. Not only so polyloc has the correct information, so I may have the same correct information. Other wise, I will assume my ruling is correct.
 
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IMO the majority of the members on this site are judges or highly experienced players in ruling knowledge.

But I do feel like my ruling is correct because it would be the very same ruling I would use if I was judging. =/
 
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hey check out rulebook version 5.0 page 30. Step by step:

1. Battle Step
2. Determine Attack Results
quick play spell and trap cards tha modify the attack and or defense of a monster may be play here. (blast with chain activation)
3. Calculate damage
4.Apply the effect of effect monsters.
If there are monsters with effects other than flip effcts, these should be applied here as well. ( Gearfried effects -triggering blast second effect)
5. Sent to the Graveyard.
6. Determine wheter to attack again.

According to this if and only if I can activate blast with chain during damage step, then Gearfried should be able to destroy two monsters by using blast with chain. Interesting????
 
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Man, I wrong again. This is bull. I don't know why I keep trying. I use to be good at this and for some reason I can't make an accurate ruling. Prehaps I am simply jumping the gun too quickly and not working at the mechanics closely enough.
 
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The complicated part of this, is that it is occuring in the Damage Step. As far as i know, the details on this are still being worked out.

Let assume Gearfried is attacking, and you equip him with Blast with Chain.

Gearfried's effect is continuous (although the wording sounds more like a Trigger...go figure) and it will destroy Blast with Chain as soon as it resolves to Gearfried. This occurs in Step 1 of Damage Calculation.

The last known ruling i know of concerning this, stated that Blast with Chain's destruction Trigger will not activate until the Resolve Effects portion of the Damage Step.

I do know that the JPN ruling states that there is no activation window for the destruction effect and it simply dissappears.

So in otherwords, Blast with Chain is destroyed instantly as soon as it equips, but its destruction effect does not activate until after DC during "Resolve Effects"

hope that helps
 
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So in English... You are saying that Blast With Chain is not destroyed till after Damage Calculations?

So if activated in the Damage Step, Gemini is toasted then Blast with Chain is destroyed and the Destruction effect of Blast with chain Activates, possibly nuking the Gorilla if the controller of Blast with chain so wished?
 
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So basically what you guys are saying is that in order for this to work, you must activate Blast With Chain in the damage step, the damage is calculated destroying Gemini Elf, and then Gearfrieds Effect Kicks in , destroying Blast withChain, and ITS effect kills the Gorilla..... is that right??? ..... i just wanna make sure i am understanding this.....
 
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Bigred Blues said:
So in English... You are saying that Blast With Chain is not destroyed till after Damage Calculations?

So if activated in the Damage Step, Gemini is toasted then Blast with Chain is destroyed and the Destruction effect of Blast with chain Activates, possibly nuking the Gorilla if the controller of Blast with chain so wished?
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kingpinopie said:
So basically what you guys are saying is that in order for this to work, you must activate Blast With Chain in the damage step, the damage is calculated destroying Gemini Elf, and then Gearfrieds Effect Kicks in , destroying Blast withChain, and ITS effect kills the Gorilla..... is that right??? ..... i just wanna make sure i am understanding this.....
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This is what i'm saying guys...specifically (the last UDE ruling I know of)

~ Gearfried attacks a face-down Gemini Elf

< Damage Step >

[..]

{Damage Calculation : Step 1}

[TP Chain Link 1] Blast with Chain (target -> Gearfried)

resolve...

[TP Chain Link 1] Blast with Chain (Gearfried is equipped with BwC)

~ BwC is now instantly destroyed by Gearfried's Continuous Effect. We wait to activate the destruction Trigger of BwC, so we don't disrupt DC.

{Damage Calculation : Step 2}

~ Calculate and apply damage

{End Damage Calculation}

~ Gemini Elf is now considered destroyed

{Resolve Effects}

[TP Chain Link 1] Blast with Chain (target -> any card on the field)

resolve...

As far as I know UDE/Konami have been re-evaluating this, so it may change.

Hope that helps
 
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novastar said:
This is what i'm saying guys...specifically (the last UDE ruling I know of)

~ Gearfried attacks a face-down Gemini Elf
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The original question though involves Blast With Chain being activated when Gearfried is the target of an attack, not the one doing the attacking.

It would seem to me that the attacking Gemini Elf is destroyed during damage calculation because Gearfried is boosted to 2300 ATK temporarily. Gearfried then destroys the equipped Blast With Chain through his effect, but Blast With Chain's effect does not activate because.....

Blast With Chain
Trap/Normal
After activation, this card is treated as an Equip Spell Card. Select 1 monster you control and equip it with this card to increase the ATK of the selected monster by 500 points. When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card, select 1 card on the field and destroy it.

...The key part there is "destroyed by the effect of another card." Blast With Chain (in this case) is being destroyed by the same card it is equipped to (because of Gearfried's effect) and consequently should not be able to activate it's effect of destroying a card on the field.
 
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...The key part there is "destroyed by the effect of another card." Blast With Chain (in this case) is being destroyed by the same card it is equipped to (because of Gearfried's effect) and consequently should not be able to activate it's effect of destroying a card on the field.
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No, that specific line of text "When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card,..." is refering specifically to Blast with Chain being destroyed by effect, rather than Game Mechanics such as lack of target.

Gearfried's effect destroying Blast with Chain fulfills the requirement of "destroyed by the effect of another card"

The main problem is that there is no window of activation for the second effect to activate in, after Gearfried destroys it. Even though we have multiple activation windows (chain points) in the Damage Step, they are very specific, and only allow for one chain per window.

So to provide some sort of solution to the problem, last i remember, UDE ruled that you would activate BwC's second effect after Damage Calculation is over, during the Resolve Effects portion.
 
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Isn't Gearfried's effect continuous? It says destroyed immediatley.

Even during the Damage Step, wouldn't it destroy Blast with Chain the moment Blast With Chain resolves becoming an equip spell that targets Gearfried?
 
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