Jetroid + Fire Darts/Magical Exp.

[skochtape1]

Jetroids effect

At the time this card is selected as an attack target by your opponent's monster, the controller of this card can activate Trap Card(s) from their hand.

Fire Darts effect
trap

You can only activate this card when you have no cards in your hand. Roll a six-sided die 3 times, and inflict damage to your opponent's Life Points equal to the total result of the die rolls x 100 points.

Magical Explosion

You can only activate this card when you have no cards in your hand. Inflict 200 points of damage to your opponent's Life Points for each Spell Card in your Graveyard

My question is, if Jetroid is attacked and either of these traps are the only card in your hand. Do their effects resolve correctly?

 

[daivahataka]

I would've thought that activation, placement on the field and checking activation requirements were all simultaneous?

 

[chaosruler]

Having zero cards in hand is requirement for flipping it (if you were using it normally). Since you can't flip it with a card in your hand, how can you play it from your hand if you have a card in your hand? It cannot be legally activated, because it's activation conditions haven't been fulfilled.

-chaosruler

 

[daivahataka]

I get you now! Makes sense. (we need a Eureaka/lightbulb smilie! lol)
At least this situation will be limited to when Makyura/Jetroid's effects is in play.

 

[skey23]

I'm in agreement with chaosruler on this one. I don't think you would be able to activate either of the cards in question via "Jetroid"s effect. I would have explained it the same way he has.

 

[skochtape1]

this is how Mortals (lv 2 judge) explained it on the Realms.


{Yes, you are correct. When Jetroid is attack and you have only 1 card in hand and that card being either one of those 2, then you may activate it. Once you have activated it, you would not have any cards in hand and thus would be a legal activation.

If it is the only card in hand and you activate it, the card shouldn't be in your hand at that point anymore. It should be on the field. =)}

 

[chaosruler]

This is how chaosruler (a Level 2 judge) explains it:

You can't activate period if you have a card in your hand. Can you activate Talisman of Trap Sealing if there isn't a Sealmaster Meisei on your side of the field? no. 0 cards in hand is the only way you can activate it. The very nature of how Jetroid uses Traps prohibits the use of Fire Darts/Magical Explosion in that manner.

Note, I'm joking around with the top part, but the explanation is serious.

-chaosruler

 

[skochtape1]

NEW Question

Alright, since we're on the discussion with Jetroid and traps from the hand. Purely for clarification purposes.

Say My Jetroid is being attacked. Royal Decree is already active on the field.

Royal Decree will not negate the traps from my hand then, correct?



I just mentioned the lv 2 judge thing to give some credibility, so you know its not just a Joe Schmoe Noob boob.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Generally Mortals knows what he's talking about, but I don't think he thought things through this time.

And as to Royal Decree--it would still negate it. Though I'm inclear as to how they have ruled Royal. I belive you cannot activate any traps, as with Jinzo. But the text would indicate they would simply be "burnt"

 

[squid]

I would think that the effect of Jetroid could not be used with Royal Decree or Jinzo out, based on the 2nd ruling I see for Jetroid. Traps wouldn't be burnt (unless Im misunderstanding your meaning there). They simply would not be activated.

 

[Digital Jedi]

I would think that the effect of Jetroid could not be used with Royal Decree or Jinzo out, based on the 2nd ruling I see for Jetroid. Traps wouldn't be burnt (unless Im misunderstanding your meaning there). They simply would not be activated.

Yes, I think thats it too. I'm just pointing out that I haven't read a ruling to indicate that one way or the other and that the text of Royal Decree reads like traps are just negated and not prevented. But Jinzo reads the same way, I think, so its probably the same ruling as Jinzo.

 

[densetsu_x]

Jinzo would prevent the trap from being activated.

Royal Decree will let you activate the trap but it will negate the resolution.

 

[anthonyj]

Jinzo states traps cannot be activated. Royal Decree is more like Skill Drain, you can activate but the effect will be negated if the trap is still on the field when it resolves. Though you should certainly be able to use something like Emergency Provisions after activating your trap to still get the effect much like using Book of Moon on your TIV after activating its effect with Skill Drain active will allow that to go through.

 

[densetsu_x]

Yup, it's perfectly legal to activate a trap (or series of traps as long as none are Counter Traps) and then end the chain with Emergency Provisions to send Royal Decree to the Graveyard so all the traps would then resolve successfully.

 

[anthonyj]

Well I actually meant to send the activated trap to the graveyard and still gets its effect thereby leaving Royal Decree on the field. But that works too.

 

[densetsu_x]

No that won't work (sending the trap to the GY and leaving Royal Decree on the field).

Unlike monster, spells and traps only activate and resolve on the field (with the exceptions like Statue of the Wicked but in general). So Royal Decree will still engate a trap card even if that trap was destroyed (by say MST) or sent to the GY (Emergency Provisions).

 

[anthonyj]

Sorry, you're right Andrew. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Well, I was thinking that' how it'd work. But it seems whenever you get into negation of some kind the wording ends up being misleading

 

[Raijinili]

If Reload is the only card in your hand can you activate it?
Nope.

But Reload does require you to have one card in your hand to activate, and you do have that one card in your hand"¦

Card do look and waht will happen "as" they activate, not jsut before they activate.

Jowgen the Spiritualis and Last Warrior from another planet prevent you from activating cards that special summon monsters, but you can certainly tribute them for Metamophosis or Lava Golem: the card Metamorphosis knows that it will remove the effect preventing special summons before its activation is complete.

You should be able to activated Fire Darts etc.

I agree with DaGuy. The Jowgen rulings are rather comparable.

 

[Tonylaudat]

I believe that the example of being able to tribute Jowgen for Lava Golem or Metamorphosis is out of date, as these rulings no longer appears on UDE's website, or even in the pop up window that occurs when you click on their links.

Metamorphosis tributes a monster as a cost, which would occur right after the card was activated, and since Jowgen would prevent its activation, the cost for that activation can't be paid.

Lava Golem would tribue two of you opponets monsters as part of its effect (I believe), but since that effect can't be activated, the two monsters can't be tribute, and Lava Golem is forced to remain in its owner's (most likely) hand.

 

[John Danker]

Is everyone comfortable with what they've seen here or would you like it posted to the judge's board?