Silent Swordsman LV7 v.s. Equip/Continuous/Field Spell Cards

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Ok, someone out of the blue asked me this question on AIM and I couldn't find any information on it.

If Player A Special Summons Silent Swordsman LV7 onto the field with Level Limit - Area B already activated, wouldn't LV7 switch to defense or would Level Limit be negated?

This goes for cards like Necrovalley, Axe of Despair, Big Bang Shot, etc.

Would it negate those cards entirely? That's where my confusion started because I'm wondering if an already activated Equip/Field/Continuous Spell card is on the field that the effect would be negated according to LV7's text. Not sure on this though.
 
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No, they would all be negated as soon as they hit the field, just as if you activated them separately.

Pot of Greed must activate on the field, and has a Spell Speed of 1.

Scapegoat must activate on the field and has a Spell Speed of 2.

Emergency Provisions must activate on the field, and has a Spell Speed of 2, but none of these cards, even though the activation is not prevented, can resolve their effects since the card itself is negated, just like Imperial Order would do.

This is not like the situation with Imperial Order vs Emergency Provisions. You could chain to Imperial Order because when EP resolves, IO has yet to resolve it's effect.

As soon as Silent Swordsman LV7 hits the field, he immediately negates all Spells. There is no possibility to chain from his effect or later.
 
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Silent Swordsman LV7 doesn't negate activations, only effects, unlike Spell Canceller. So you could conceivably activate cards for the heck of it (say to pump up spell counters, since the activation/s would not be negated).

So I believe that you could activate the aforementioned cards or others, send them to graveyard via EP, and thus get those effects, but not get EP's life gain effect.
 
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but SSlv7 only negates spell cards on the field.....(where else could a spell card reside when activated)....so if EPed to the graveyard, would SSlv7 not be relevant to negating the card's effect? I think the card would activate just fine.


But this could be another one of those things where Konami just said to the translator......(yeah, sounds fine, don't care, it's just the US market)
 
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roadhouse007 said:
but SSlv7 only negates spell cards on the field.....(where else could a spell card reside when activated)....so if EPed to the graveyard, would SSlv7 not be relevant to negating the card's effect? I think the card would activate just fine.


But this could be another one of those things where Konami just said to the translator......(yeah, sounds fine, don't care, it's just the US market)
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Spells and traps effect behave differently then the effects of effect monsters. Normal and Quickplay Spells as well as Normal and Counter Traps could be likened to hollow containers that contain the spell/trap effect. When the card is played it activates and resolves on the field regardless of where the "actual physical card" goes to. So the negators like Imperial Order, Spell Canceller, Jinzo, are negating the actual effects that only exist "on the field". Skill Drain on the other hand specifically negates "Effect Monsters that are face-up on the field". As such flipping the monster face-down, removing it from play, sending it to the graveyard, bouncing it back to your hand, will all allow the effect to carry through since the monster is no longer "on the field" to be negated.
 
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Hello, I am new to this site, so all respect to those discussing. It seem to me that this never even should have need been discussed past Silent Swordsmen LV7 's effect.

In allowing your opponent to respond to your actions during each phase. i.e. see rules of play

When you activate Pot of Greed , your opponent responds with Silent Swordsman LV7's effect all beit a continual effect, ever present while this card is faceup on the field.

You activate Scapegoat, again Silent Swordsman LV7's effect chains negating it.

Finally, you activate Emergency Provisions (yet another spell) and again the effect of Silent Swordsman LV7 chains and negates.

The cost of EP may well be paid but I do not believe any of the 3 spells resolves due to SS7.

I do apologize for any terminology discrepancies. I don't claim to know them all, or it all, as it were.

But, I noticed there seemed to be some disagreement in the thought procise of the people here who really know what the cards do and what someone else may want them to.

I would like to thank all who have taken the time to discuss this game and create this site. It does, it would seem, give a person a certain ability to vent concerns and maybe just maybe someday change bad rules for the better.

Here's to the future of Yugih-oh! ('til we all get bored and do something else LOL)
 
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Welcome lancedolittle! Please visit the Intro/Farewell area and introduce yourself (even though I know who you are..lol).

Also, since I do know you, I'll refrain from responding to your post and let the others comment. ;)

So...have at him everybody!...:D
 
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No offense, but: How many times can my point be missed? The point is that SSLV7 negates only the effect of spells that are on the field. It doesn't negate costs, or effects that are no longer on the field. In other words, nothing is stopping me from sending my spells to the grave before they resolve as a cost for EP, then letting them resolve in the grave, right?
-pssvr
 
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Your point is taken and documented Pssvr, but it is like trying to hold water in a bucket with a hole in it.

You can activate an effect, just like you would with Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8, and it just gets negated. There is no possible way that Emergency Provisions can resolve and send anything to the Graveyard by its effect if it HAS no effect. You can activate EP back to back all day while SSLV7 is on the field, but it will not resolve.

It can't send anything to the Graveyard. EP will still go to the Graveyard as it must still resolve once it is activated since SSLV7 doesnt destroy anything, just negate, but EP cannot send any cards by its effect. They go to the Graveyard due to game mechanics.
 
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I see the point of the cost paid however, I do not believe they resolve as they were on the field when activated and negated by SS7. although you can successfully activate and ditch cards as it were. Silent Swordsman LV7 is not an optional effect (as it doesn't say can ) so there aren't any timing issues that I am aware of. The cards were negated upon activation by his continual effect and the fact that you remove them before resolution doesn't take away his effect of disabling there abilities. I believe anthonyj and masterwoo were on point in their threads. I would differ and relent to an actual printed card ruling if it is to be had.
If indeed a cost, I apologize for my first statement of them going nowhere and I will endeavor not to make the same mistake in the future. but the end result of no pot and no Scapegoat is the same.
 
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Okay, maybe I need a tad bit more clarity as I know what I'm thinking when I am typing, but when I went back and read it, even I had to say, "That isnt quite right..."

The cost of activating Emergency Provisions is sending all cards to the Graveyard. The effect is to increase your life points 1000 per card sent, except for EP.

That said, the cost cannot be negated as it is not an "effect". The effect, which is the 1000 life points gained per, CAN be negated.

Once all cards are sent to the Graveyard, their effects are still activated from the field, and it is still valid for SSLV7 to negate them since they were face-up at activation, and the effect resolves on the field, not the Graveyard.

This is not like "Dark Coffin" where it is outside of the range of Jinzo's ability to negate Traps because it activates in the Graveyard. These cards perform their function on the field, period. Even if there was no SSLV7, EP would still activate and the effect would resolve on the field while EP was in the Graveyard, and what ever cards were activated in a chain would also share the same situation.

It also goes to say that if you activated Waboku, Zero Gravity, and Emergency Provisions, and your opponent chained Call of the Haunted to summon Jinzo, does this mean that both Waboku and Zero Gravity resolve as normal because they are sent to the Graveyard? No. Jinzo can still negate the effect regardless of where the Trap Card is because the effect is still felt on the field within the chain resolving.
 
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Because you activated the effect of Chaos Sorcerer under correct conditions, setting up a chainable event.

Activating Book of Moon did not change the conditions of the effect resolving because it was activated correctly. You only chained to the effect. Skill Drain can only negate a face-up monsters effect. You are not prevented from activating or paying a cost. The only thing that is prevented is resolution as long as the monster is face-up.

If you had chained Ring of Destruction, the effect would still resolve as well because you did not negate the effect from happening, and the monster is no longer face-up on the field.
 
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