Swords of concealing light Vs Light of intervention

[Manta]

Just a quickkie:

Is Swords of Concealing Light allowed to be played with Light of Intervention active?

Also, what happens if Light of Intervention is chained to Swords of Concealing Light?

 

[chaosruler]

1) It cannot change the positions of monsters to f/d Defense, but may change them to defense...

2) same story

-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

It sure can't...lol.

I edited this post really quickly!...I read the last ruling from the FAQ:

"While this card is on the field you cannot flip a monster face-down with "Book of Moon", "Darkness Approaches", etc."

 

[chaosruler]

skey23-wow, by 2 minutes again , lol (i looked the rulings this time )-chaosruler

 

[Digital Jedi]

Looks like Light of Intervention overides any effect that would put them face-down:

• While this card is on the field you cannot flip a monster face-down with "Book of Moon", "Darkness Approaches", etc.
  
  Seems to me if a chain resolves backwards than LoI would rule the day in that paticular case.

 

[chaosruler]

umm, Light of Interventions rulings state that you CANNOT change a monster to f/d defense or f/d at all:

NetRep sez:

1. While this card is on the field you cannot flip a monster face-down with "Book of Moon", "Darkness Approaches", etc.
   
   -chaosruler

 

[chaosruler]

digital jedi - simultaneous replies, w00t
lol

manta - links helped me answer fast, lol

-chaosruler

 

[Digital Jedi]

Your connection must be as slow as mine, chaosruler. I usualy always chime in last.

 

[skey23]

This would have to be one of the rulings I don't agree with.

Nowhere on the card text does it state monsters cannot be flipped face down. It only prevents monsters from being 'set' face down. Flipping a card face down is NOT setting the card.

P.S. I tried to edit my post above really quickly hoping nobody would notice, but I was too late...:-(

 

[chaosruler]

well, it says that they cannot be set, and if you consider BoM re-setting them, it makes sense.

-chaosruler

 

[Digital Jedi]

It really doesn't matter if a card was flipped face-down by an effect. That card is still considered Set.

 

[chaosruler]

digital jedi - i have a cable modem, but started to type, but then had to run and get a soda good times, good times lol

-chaosruler

 

[densetsu_x]

But the rulings also say that if a card effect would place the monsters in face-down defense (like the effect of "Morphing Jar #2") then they are placed face-up defense.

So with "Swords of Concealing Light", monsters would be switched to defense position, but remain face-up and their battle positions could not be changed. Think of it as if "what if the opponent only had tokens on the field?" (they go and stay in defense position since they can't be flipped face-down).

 

[chaosruler]

good example, they're all tokens, w00t

-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

well, it says that they cannot be set, and if you consider BoM re-setting them, it makes since.

-chaosruler

Unfortunately, I don't. The text on "Book of Moon" says to 'flip' a face-up monster into face-down defense. It doesn't say take a face-up monster and 'set' it in face-down defense.

But I understand what you're saying...

 

[chaosruler]

i was speaking theoretically, but oh well, densetsu_x said it better

-chaosruler

 

[Digital Jedi]

(sigh) My connection is so slow people can get snacks while I'm posting.

 

[chaosruler]

digital jedi - don't worry, i run fast, and my fridge isn't far away....

lol
-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

It really doesn't matter if a card was flipped face-down by an effect. That card is still considered Set.

From the 5.0 Rule Book:
"To Set a Monster Card, select it from your hand and place it face-down horizontally (Defense Position) on an open space in the Monster Card Zone."

also under the Glossary of terms:

"Placing a card face-down is called a "Set". For Monster Cards, placing it in face-down Defense Position is called a "Set"."

Neither of these define 'set' as 'flipping' the monster face-down.

 

[Digital Jedi]

From the 5.0 Rule Book:
"To Set a Monster Card, select it from your hand and place it face-down horizontally (Defense Position) on an open space in the Monster Card Zone."

also under the Glossary of terms:

"Placing a card face-down is called a "Set". For Monster Cards, placing it in face-down Defense Position is called a "Set"."

Neither of these define 'set' as 'flipping' the monster face-down.

Ahhh, but your confusing the action "SET" with the orientation "SET." The act of setting is called a "set" but a face-down defence postion monster is considered "set." One is an action, the other is a state of being. And no where does it say that flipping a monster face-down isn't a set.