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Can i discard a Thunder Dragon if the other two are already in the graveyard? and will Thunder Dragons effect trigger if discarded for Dark Core?
 
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I also believe the last word was that you the Deck shuffle is also mandatory, no matter how many Thunder Dragon's you choose to search for.

As well, if you do choose 0, you do not have to search your Deck, and show to prove. It's really a weird situation, i could see it going either way.
 
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why the other way, nova? Its not the same as an effect that states you must pull out a card, but the player claiming there were none of the specified card left.

They chose 0 Thunder Dragons. Can you prove that they pulled out 0 Thunder Dragons from their deck? Of course. None of that requires a check of the remaining deck's contents.
 
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It's actually in the way the card text is worded. It says to add 'up to' 2 more to your hand. Then it says shuffle your deck. There is a period and the shuffle your deck is a whole other statement. And since it says 'up to', 0 is still included in that 'up to' statement. So I've added '0' more to my hand. Then I must shuffle my deck.

Does that help?
 
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Oh, I misread the post. I actually had always assumed that the Deck shuffling was a completely separate matter, and occurred no matter what.

lol, I think we were on the same page, I was just reading upside down.
 
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squid said:
Oh, I misread the post. I actually had always assumed that the Deck shuffling was a completely separate matter, and occurred no matter what.

lol, I think we were on the same page, I was just reading upside down.
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how were you reading upside down.....
 
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Ok. You hold the newspaper, I walk up to you and start reading. If Im facing you and the newspaper is faced in your direction, we are still reading the same story, just Im reading upside down.

My poor analogy was meant to display that I was thinking that Novastar was referring to a player choosing 0 Thunder Dragon, and the opponent checking the deck to verify that no other Thunder Dragons existed in the deck. I totally missed his point being about the shuffling portion alone.

See? Reading upside down.
 
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squid said:
Ok. You hold the newspaper, I walk up to you and start reading. If Im facing you and the newspaper is faced in your direction, we are still reading the same story, just Im reading upside down.

My poor analogy was meant to display that I was thinking that Novastar was referring to a player choosing 0 Thunder Dragon, and the opponent checking the deck to verify that no other Thunder Dragons existed in the deck. I totally missed his point being about the shuffling portion alone.

See? Reading upside down.
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You are a weird fella squid :D
 
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in fact, you can't search for "zero" 'Thunder Dragon' (IF you have any, you must add at least one), as you can't activate an effect that won't do anything (if you don't have any 'Thunder Dragon' left in your deck, you don't add any, of course, in which case your opponent can verify your deck and it's then shuffled).
 
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Cropz said:
in fact, you can't search for "zero" 'Thunder Dragon' (IF you have any, you must add at least one), as you can't activate an effect that won't do anything (if you don't have any 'Thunder Dragon' left in your deck, you don't add any, of course, in which case your opponent can verify your deck and it's then shuffled).
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This is wrong because of the fact Thunder Dragon's text reads "up to 2" which is 0, 1, and 2. You have three options. Zero is included with Mobius the Frost Monarch's effect. You can choose to destroy zero spell/trap cards even if the field has some on it. The amount is optional when given the two words "up to" in this case. Thunder Dragon is no exception.
 
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Tkwiget said:
This is wrong because of the fact Thunder Dragon's text reads "up to 2" which is 0, 1, and 2. You have three options. Zero is included with Mobius the Frost Monarch's effect. You can choose to destroy zero spell/trap cards even if the field has some on it. The amount is optional when given the two words "up to" in this case. Thunder Dragon is no exception.
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yes, sure, but if you choose to destroy "zero" cards with 'Mobius the Frost Monarch''s effect, it never really activates, when it DOES activate you must select at least one target (you can't activate effects that won't do anything, rule of thumb).
'Raigeki' states "Destroy all monsters on your opponent's side of the field", "all" can be "zero", but that doesn't mean you can activate 'Raigeki' when the opponent doesn't control any monsters.
 
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At least I made someone say the correct thing today. XD

Keep in mind that "all" doesn't mean zero. If there were never any on their field then there was never any legal activation time.

Just something to consider. The contents of a deck are considered to be unknown cards. If they're unknown cards then the amount of Thunder Dragon in the deck is also unknown. Thunder Dragon has more than one thing to the effect. You're discarding and shuffling your deck. The shuffling of the deck is seperate from the discard/search effect. "Then" Is merely telling the order in which the effect is resolving in steps.

I'm not saying that I'm correct on this. Just trying to get you guys to think. Think from multiple angles that is.
 
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Cropz said:
I know the deck isn't public knowledge, and hence why you can activate 'Thunder Dragon' even if you don't have any copies of it in the deck, but IF POSSIBLE, you MUST get at least one.
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No you mustn't.

You declare how many Thunder Dragons you wish to search for before even touching your deck.

IF there isn't as many as you intended to search for then you must show your deck to the opponent to verify.

But you can certainly choose to add 0, jsut like when Penguin Soldier's effect activates you can target 0 monsters to return to the owner's hand.

And you can target 0 cards with mobius effect.

The ruling is there on Penguin Soldier.
 
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