What happens when Tribute Target Disappears?

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Wizit

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Hello

If I have two monsters on the field and select one of them as the target for the tribute-summon of my 5-star monster in my hand, what happens if that selected monster is destroyed before the tribute actually occurs?

Can I simply select the other monster to perform my tribute summon or is that the end?

I think the answer is that tributing does not really involve targetting so there is no problem and I simply select an alternate monster to tribute.

Thoughts or advice?

Thanks
Wizit
 
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Duelz is correct. There is no chain point before or after a summon that would allow you to negate the tribute or destroy the tribtued monster. The closest thing to an actual negation of the summon would be via Horn of Heaven or Solemn Judgment. Even so, neither of those cards actually negate the tributing, or allow you to summon a new monster that turn.

-pssvr
 
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Ruling: you MUST declare you are going to tribute, before you actually do. So the opponent at least has the chance to check or he/she can respond to the summon (I know... don't say it).Bit more clear?
 
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pssvr said:
Uhh... It would be more clear if I believed it... That sounds like a ruling for Ritual monsters, if you ask me... *is still lost*

-pssvr
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You need an example, it looks like :D

Player A has 3 monsters on the field, and 3 Set S/T.
Player B has 5 monsters on the field, and 2 Set S/T.

Player A has also Gilford the Lightning in the hand.

Player A, who already has drawn a card and went to Main Phase 1, want to tribute the 3 monsters he has to Tribute Summon Gilford.

What happens on the field?
- First, the 3 monsters of A are sent to the Graveyard
- Second, Gilford the Lightning is Tribute Summoned with 3 Tributes. All the opponent's monsters are destroyed (to don't make it more difficult, I won't take Solemn Judgment/Horn of Heaven etc. in this).

However, before A sends the 3 monsters to the Graveyard, he/she says: "I am going to Tribute Summon" (or whatever is used as wording).
At that moment, Player B KNOWS that A is going to Tribute Monsters. So he/she has the chance to check the Set S/T for cards like Bottomless Trap Hole/Trap Hole etc.

So what happens all:
- First, Player A declares he/she is going to Tribute Summon a Card.
- Secondly, the 3 Monsters of A are sent to the Graveyard.
- Third: Gilford the Lightning enters the field. All the opponent's monsters are destroyed.
- Fourth: after B checked the Set S/T-cards he/she has, B may respond (NOT chain) to the summoning of Gilford.
 
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Some of whats been stated is accurate. Some of it is not.

Your opponent cannot do anything to the monster you've targeted as a tribute. This is a cost that must be paid. The only thing that can be affected by your opponent is the summon itself. But the monsters offered for tribute cannot be targeted by any effect because they are the cost of theTribute Summon and long gone before the chain point that negates summons is reached.

There is no "I declare a Tribte Summon" and THEN remove monster from the field. The declaration of the tribute and the sacrifice of the monsters all occur at once. There is no point in between.
 
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I see no reason to declare that BEFORE you summon. I have always played it that you say that AS you send the monsters to the grave. Is that tournament policy, that you give the opponent a chance to check F/D cards? If so, why? They will, of course, have a chance to respond AFTER the summoning, why should they check before? *is now hopelessly lost* Go on ahead, don't bother with me, there's no hope left... SAVE YOURSELF!!!

-pssvr

<EDIT: And the force is faster than my typing, evidently.>
 
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You declare the summon as part of the announce everything in a clear voice rule in the rulebook.

You can't jsut throw cards from the field to the graveyard and slap a new monster onto the field. That would be "sloppy" play.

As stated in the rule book, you declare that you want to summon a monster before doing anything. This doesn't effect the mechanics of the game at all, but it's there to make sure there is no confusion of what's happening.
 
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Just to be absolutely sure I'm understanding this (Going to my first regionals in december, gotta get this stuff ironed out):

Declare: I tribute my Newdoria...
As I send Newdoria to the grave
Declare: ...so I can summon...
As I lay down the card
Declare: ...Dark Ruler Ha Des!

That is the way I have always played it. Are you saying that is incorrect?

-pssvr
 
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this is putting in cosidering you are ignoring the whole Successfull to non Successfull Summon.

as you tribute monsters you should state that you will be summoning said tribute, at that point you should ask your opponent if the summon will be successfull.

This is the Solem / Horn point / Royal Oppression (when possible), if the summon is successfull the opponent should state that it will be successfull, which at this point as turn player you have priority now to activate any spell speed 1 monster effect UNLESS there is a monster already doing so. (King Tiger Wanghu, etc...)

this leads to less confusion on what is going on, becuase sometimes people arnt clear about what they are doing and next thing you know, you have a mobious trying to destroy some opponents spell or traps and all late they declare they are negating the summon, this is incorrect play.

and you cant justify it by stating "Rewind back" to the current point to were you were going to summon.

why is it incorrect becasue the opponent lets the mobious player declare targets and once it didnt benefit them they decided the summon wont be legal.

that is really sloppy play.
 
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The odds of getting players to declare their summons is pretty slim. They think it's "noobish", "scrubish", "bullcrap", etc..etc.. but in actuality, if people did it would clear up confusion and would keep us judges from mentally beating ourselves in the head when those certain players just don't seem to understand the ruling.

I've had this problem in local tournaments and on some message boards. Player aren't as clear cut with the needed amount of communitcation. It's annoying to play against some kid that thinks the faster he makes his plays the better. This creates tention, sloppy play, and unoriginized events. So then they wonder why they get a plenty for something from a judge when it was their fault from the start.

I vote we as judges should remind players on a regular basis in declaring their summonings before doing anything else.

It then can create problems with cards like Jinzo or Spell Canceller. I still feel like players should declare, at the very minimum, their summons. It's bad enough players don't verbually annouce if they have a card to chain or a card to respond with. At least in my local tournaments anyway.

Blah, I'm tired, I might go find a place to sleep. XD
 
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I remind all my friends and that they need to declare their stuff.

especially if you play magic were stuff can get countered off the stack on the quickness or in vs were stuff just didnt become illegal and so forth.

if yugi players (not all) were to actually start communicating on not speed playing then stuff would go out much easier.

like, 2 weeks ago when i judged our local tourney.

it was the top place position and i sat down to watch and judge it on the spot.

it was a speed game. both players didnt know what was going on they just new stuff was going down. i had to tell them and remind them it wasnt a speed game and that they should slow down. 1 player does and the other doesnt.

funny enough the one that did was the one that won the tourney. and this is becuase i had to constantly tell his opponent to slow down.

one play that was incorrect and unfair was.

player A, Special summon Cyber Dragon, asked his opponent if he was gonna do anything? Player B said "no" and we heard it, he expected Player A to follow up the summon but instead, Player A decided to move to battle phase and attack for 2100 life points, player b then stated that he was gonna activate Torrential Tribute.

how late in the game is this? and then to tell me that his opponent didnt ask him if the summon would be legal or if he were going to respond.

i ruled that Torrential Tribute was activated illegally and that the damage would be delt.

player b got furios.. Is it my fault?

if you were there, would you have ruled the same?

see this things are what we as judges should reminds players about. It is not a speed game.

heck there arnt even 1 min clock timers standing by for them to hit when they finish their turn. lol
 
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Yeah I've had two players like that. The speed dueled to no end against one another. They finished their match for the tournament in 20 minutes, traded a few cards, then played another 'fun' match on the side as they waited for the others to finish.

They played 3 matches within one round's time (the tournament and 2 practice ones). XD Now that's speedy play and they never called me over. I didn't even know it was going on too. I had other things to worry about.

I'm pretty sure they made several mistakes and it was funny to see them play against one of the regular players that went at a slow enough pace to think out his plays. Ultimately, the two speed demons lost in the second and third round of the tournament. XD
 
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Then you get watching the matches with old geezers like me <laffin> "Don't rush me..........I'm a thinkin"

This is a LEISURE time activity for me....and I keep it at that pace. I'm surprised I haven't been called for stalling myself...unintentional of course....but none the less I don't usually keep up with the "standard" response time.

I'm the guy everyone else is usually waiting for to start the new round!
 
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Yeah, well that's fine in my book John. Sometimes players can't help that if the game progression just isn't moving in favor of one of the players. I've had a couple of those both that I've had to judge and play. Rather annoying. XD

Some player just simply take WAY too long. You give them 40 minutes (standard tournament time) to complete your game. Some players don't have a problem finishing up in that amount of time. Other players just tend to drag it out as long as possible and it's annoying. Those players I just warn because it annoys me.

Note: I'm the only judge in my area so there for I act as the Head Judge in a way. The tournament isn't sanctioned either.
 
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