Enemy Controller question

[kansashoops]

I just want to make sure this works as I think it does:

Opponent has one or more Scapegoat tokens in face up defense position. I have D.D. Assailant in attack position. I declare an attack on a token and ask for a response (assuming that my opponent has one or more cards set in his spell/trap zone). Opponent declines. I then chain Enemy Controller from my hand to the declaration of the attack, switching the token to attack position, and D.D. Assailant destroys him and does 1700 damage.

This is all kosher, correct?

 

[Jason_C]

Nova: so close, but not quite. (OMG!! A NEWB JUST DISAGreed WITH NOVA!!)

If you have entered a non-responsive window, the turn player passes, and then the opponent chooses to activate something, the phase does NOT end. Rather, an entirely NEW response window comes up.

-pssvr

 

[novastar]

In my example both players passed...

If one player decided to activate...sure...you would begin a chain...that would eventually create a response timing.

 

[Digital Jedi]

What the crap! Five more pages!?! I was sitting right here!!!! <sigh> OKay, you know how much I hate to play catch up but here goes anyway.

EDIT: Btw Blade, I'm basing my entire logic and ruling off of how the Turn Player retains priority after summoning a monster.

And I think everyone is. The problem is, I don't recal ever seeing an instance were the attacking player retained priority. There have been many scenarios presented whre it does happen. But I've not seen in all my dealings a situation where that actuall happened. We may only be extrapolating from the summoning requirements of prority. But we have to be caustious about extrapolating when there doesn't seem to be evidence to support the extrapolation. Paticular when dealing with something as undefined as priority.

 

[novastar]

Well even though its not official, the JERP is one reference that specifically (and comprehensively i might add... ), outlines that the Turn Player does have Priority to activate first after an attack is declared.

 

[anthonyj]

Nova - I think we could simplify this by more strictly adhering to proper terminology. With a non-response window if the Turn Player is not intending to summon another monster, begin a new chain, etc. he is no longer passing priority, he is instead saying "I'm done shall we end the Phase?" The Non-Turn Player then has Priority to do something or agree to end the Phase. And if the non-turn player does perform an action then it is the Turn Player who has the reponse window open to him once that chain has resolved and he may pass Priority again, and if passed back by the Non-Turn Player then we are again at a non-response window and it is again the Turn Player who must take an action or declare he wishes to end the Phase.

pssvr - I think we're seeing things clearly now. You sound like you've got it down with your last post.

 

[novastar]

I think we could simplify this by more strictly adhering to proper terminology. With a non-response window if the Turn Player is not intending to summon another monster, begin a new chain, etc. he is no longer passing priority, he is instead saying "I'm done shall we end the Phase?"

Well, it is a matter of opinion as to what is and isn't the "right" terminology...

In reality you are passing Priority... even if the "terminology" used by Konami/UDE is simplified. They dont even use the term "Priority" to begin with...so we will just end up in an endless loop here...

From a mechnical point of view, it is an abandonment of Priority.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Well even though its not official, the JERP is one reference that specifically (and comprehensively i might add... ), outlines that the Turn Player does have Priority to activate first after an attack is declared.

And we all know how much I love the JERP.

 

[Jason_C]

<ridiculous nitpicking> Nova: You said the opponent can do something or pass on priority, then the phase is over. I'm just saying that if they did ddo something, the phase would not end after that.</ridiculous nitpicking> Yeah, sometimes I'm like that?

<off topic> Something I've been meaning to ask for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS THE JERP?!?!!??!?!?!?!! </off topic>

That will be all for now...

-pssvr

 

[Tkwiget]

>=( I don't know about you guys, but my L1 judge brain is fried to a healthy shade of coal black.

Anyone wanna summarize what's been said? I'll type another post up off that.

<rubs eyes, wishes he had another vacation....Aka, event to judge at>

 

[BenjaminMS]

LOL the thing what went wrong at your posts, was that you said (litteraly) that if a chain is ended, you continue to the next phase. At last, you made that impression.

Player one begins his / turn by drawing a card, and by default receives priority.
Both players pass, on to standby phase.
Player one retains priority and passes.
Player two also passes, and on to main phase.
Player one still has priority from the last phase, and uses it to summon a monster.
Player one retains priority after the summon since it does not use the chain.
Player one passes, player two passes.
Summon response window closed. P1 passes.
P2 passes.
And on to battle phase.

I highlighted the sentences where it (started to get/was) weird.

 

[Jason_C]

Could you be a little more specific about what's confusing you? Or is this one of those cases where if you knew how to put it into words, it wouldn't be so confusing? (believe me, I've been there many times...)

-pssvr

 

[Tkwiget]

I'm only at that stage where my brain is unable to fit everything that everyone has said into a clear and well constructed group of words. I register a huge black screen that reads, "File Not Found. Error 404.".

That's if you're responding to my post.

@_@ So, why am I a judge again?

 

[skey23]

Thank you for the comment, skey.

It was a feeble attempt at a joke! Haven't you seen 'Shrek'?

Shrek: Does anybody know how to get to this Farquad guy's?
Donkey: Me! Me! I know! I know!
Shrek: Does anybody ELSE know how to get there?

See, it was funny in the movie!..:tssk:

 

[BenjaminMS]

Could you be a little more specific about what's confusing you? Or is this one of those cases where if you knew how to put it into words, it wouldn't be so confusing? (believe me, I've been there many times...)

-pssvr

Just as I said. In the case, you were very close to the right answer. But with the last sentences, you messed it up...

- Draw-phase window opened
- Neither players has a card to activate after a card is drawn, neither player uses the priority-option (I say it this way, because it is OPTIONAL to use priority, no matter what)
- The window is closed

- Standby-phase window opens
- Neither players wants to activate a card, no priority is used
- Standby-phase window closes

- Main phase 1 window opens
- Player A summons A monster
- Player A has still the priority. Player A doesn't use it, puts it to B
- Player B has the option to 'chain' (use his priority), player B doesn't use the priority
- Player A doesn't use his priority. 'Chain closed'

- Repeat this process for each card activated/summoned (different outcomes possible, depending on the situation)

- After both players have no things they want their priority for at that moment, the Main Phase 1 window closes, and the players continue to the Battlephase

- Battle-phase window opens
- Etc....

Can someone tell me if I made a mistake here? Thanks.

EDIT: woops mistake
EDIT 2: Fixed it with the comment of pssvr

 

[Jason_C]

Feeble being the operative word there... Sheesh...






























What? Haven't you ever read Calvin + Hobbes?

Calvin "They HAVE to take me back, right? I'm their stupid KID, right? Right!... The operative word there being 'stupid.' "

-pssvr

 

[Jason_C]

Benjamin: Yes, you have made a mistake. Although you must have priority to summon, the summon does not use the chain, hence your prioirty is not lost. Priority does not go to the opponent after a summon.

-pssvr

 

[Tkwiget]

Ok, <rubs eyes slowly> since when in this entire discussion has Priority been used when summoning? Summoning simply a game fact from everything I've learned in the past (Mostly from BTHing a Mobius).

So, exactly where are you getting the notion that priority is used when a monster (other than Breaker) is summoned?

EDIT: God I'm tired..

I mean, "since when in this entire discussion has Priority been used up when summoning?"

 

[BenjaminMS]

Ok, <rubs eyes slowly> since when in this entire discussion has Priority been used when summoning? Summoning simply a game fact from everything I've learned in the past (Mostly from BTHing a Mobius).

So, exactly where are you getting the notion that priority is used when a monster (other than Breaker) is summoned?

Trying to correct a model pssvr made at 'request' of Skey, however, my model is also imperfect....

 

[Tkwiget]

Well, I have no clue it was that, nor can I remember what I say after I click the submit button. Anyone know how wrong that just sounds? Being this tired and trying to follow this thread abour Priority is next to impossible. Lol, one of my questions still hasn't been answered.

@_@ Which happens to be, "So, why am I a judge again?".

 

[novastar]

<ridiculous nitpicking> Nova: You said the opponent can do something or pass on priority, then the phase is over. I'm just saying that if they did ddo something, the phase would not end after that.</ridiculous nitpicking> Yeah, sometimes I'm like that?

<off topic> Something I've been meaning to ask for a while... WHAT THE HECK IS THE JERP?!?!!??!?!?!?!! </off topic>

That will be all for now...

-pssvr

lol, i just noticed that...yeah the assumsion was that if both passed the Phase/Step would end...lol.

If something happens then yeah of course it would keep going.

The general idea is that when both players pass on a non response window, the current Phase/Step ends.