Miracle Fusion & Fusion Subs

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When a player activates Miracle Fusion, and selects a King Of The Swamp as one of the monsters to be removed from play, is that legal as a monster to qualify for Miracle Fusion's effect?
 
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Tkwiget said:
I don't remember that debate on that card. I may or may not have been in it or it might have been before my time when I got really involved as a judge on message boards.

So what was the issue about? Trying to get an idea so I can stay on topic with the thread.

Another thing that I remember was how many changes Waboku had in rulings. First it was zero battle damage and monster is still destroyed, then it was zero battle damage and monster lives, then destroyed, then lives--it was like Konami couldn't make up their minds about it and just decided to say, "your monster lives" to end all the suffering. =P

I remember the rules where you reveal any card that you get from your deck but from Morphing Jar and Different Dimension Capsule. I remember the issue and ruling on Airknight v.s. Morphing Jar and Fiber Jar.

The more issues that are brought up from players and judges to the people in charge of the game help evolve the game into a more consistant product. Every TCG has these problems. This is just the nature of the game and how it was developed.

IMO, I still think the game was made similar for a quick buck. =/
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There are so many discussion involving it, I don't know which one should I mention :D
 
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Try the one that most people hate. =P Because a lot of cards I've been able to understand after being in several discussions with the judges on this site. So I don't know if it really would confuse me that much if at all. Priority and the Battle Phase is what I'm more confused on now days.

So please, just start with like the most confusing issue that Last Will had. I'm sure it was something along the lines of selecting your monster upon activation.
 
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Well I guess that in the many plots I have been involved, i'd say that the one that really got to me the most must of been the "lingering effect" <I believe this was one of the first cards with this type of effect> that it did have to do with the monster selection in many aspects of it.
 
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Tiso said:
I will place the blame on Konami. What YOU probably fail to realize is that even in Japan Konami had it A.) Wrong or B.) Thought it was too powerful and changed it. I think I have enough to go on the basis it is Konami at fault. Yu-Gi-Oh! Online would be proof of that.
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>> Lose the emphasis on YOU. Final warning for being aggressive in this thread.

Unless you speak/read Japanese, or happen to be in communication with the designer that created the card in the first place, this statement is complete speculation. Yu-Gi-Oh! online's card text seems to be based solely on the original English text printed by Konami. This much is fairly obvious, if you happen to have a lot of the pre-MFC English cards in your possession for comparison purposes. I can't say for certain if 100% of them match, since I haven't played YGO Online in months, but from everything I've heard this is the case.

You can place the blame wherever you want, but keep in mind that your arguments are speculative by their very nature, as are everyone else's (mine included). Taking it personally or making it personal is just going to cause you grief.
 
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djp952 said:
>> Lose the emphasis on YOU. Final warning for being aggressive in this thread.

Unless you speak/read Japanese, or happen to be in communication with the designer that created the card in the first place, this statement is complete speculation. Yu-Gi-Oh! online's card text seems to be based solely on the original English text printed by Konami. This much is fairly obvious, if you happen to have a lot of the pre-MFC English cards in your possession for comparison purposes. I can't say for certain if 100% of them match, since I haven't played YGO Online in months, but from everything I've heard this is the case.

You can place the blame wherever you want, but keep in mind that your arguments are speculative by their very nature, as are everyone else's (mine included). Taking it personally or making it personal is just going to cause you grief.
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Not to offend you djp, but you are starting to look like a house-guardian dog, who roars each time someone comes close...
Of course that is good... but it also a task of the mods to handle this. Guys, is someone of you around here? (no offend meant against the mods btw)
 
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BenjaminMS said:
Not to offend you djp, but you are starting to look like a house-guardian dog, who roars each time someone comes close...
Of course that is good... but it also a task of the mods to handle this. Guys, is someone of you around here? (no offend meant against the mods btw)
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LOL. I am a moderator :D My dog Shadow would love the comparison, too!

I see no reason for personalizing these arguments, and yes, I will stop it if I have to. I've been doing my best to remain fair and impartial and have read certain posts over and over to be as certain as I can that I'm "barking" up the right tree :D
 
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djp952 said:
LOL. I am a moderator :D My dog Shadow would love the comparison, too!

I see no reason for personalizing these arguments, and yes, I will stop it if I have to. I've been doing my best to remain fair and impartial and have read certain posts over and over to be as certain as I can that I'm "barking" up the right tree :D
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Oh... LOL.
But I meant someone from the Council of Heroes.

EDIT: silly me. I meant Council <_< >_> *slaps himself*
 
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Oh, that Last Will issue was before my time then. =P

I think Soul Exchange came out around when Last Will did, not sure. Both cards have lingering effects after all. But back then I don't remember seeing that issue anywhere on the message boards I was on. Probably cause I focused more on improving my playing skills at the time and didn't even know about the judging side of the game.
 
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skey23 said:
Michael could be considered an UUUUber mod, for all intents and purposes.
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I like "Passive Aggressive Mod" better :D

And Ben, I did report this thread to the new Council as well, but not until a few minutes ago, hoping that after a good night's sleep we were done with it. However, all COG moderators have the power to do what they feel is necessary to keep the peace. Afterwards, if there was any question about it, the Council can review, reverse, do whatever is needed to correct any mistakes in judgment made by the other moderators. If any member feels that a moderator is being unjust or unfair, they are also free to report it to the Council. Just another thing that makes our forums the best :D It's like government ... but better!
 
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Tiso said:
I will place the blame on Konami. What YOU probably fail to realize is that even in Japan Konami had it A.) Wrong or B.) Thought it was too powerful and changed it. I think I have enough to go on the basis it is Konami at fault. Yu-Gi-Oh! Online would be proof of that.
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The original Japanese text, which came out before the English TCG even began, had the correct monsters-only text.

In fact, you can probably look for yourself in World Wide Edition in Japanese.
 
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Raijinili said:
The original Japanese text, which came out before the English TCG even began, had the correct monsters-only text.

In fact, you can probably look for yourself in World Wide Edition in Japanese.
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And yet this does not change the fact a great number of cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! Online are wrong in their text compared to what they are today. Keep in mind UDE has nothing to do with it either.
 
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Tiso said:
And yet this does not change the fact a great number of cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! Online are wrong in their text compared to what they are today. Keep in mind UDE has nothing to do with it either.
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Isn't Kevin Tewart going on these days about how he influenced Konami in this way or that way?
 
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Raijinili said:
Isn't Kevin Tewart going on these days about how he influenced Konami in this way or that way?
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I think he was talking about Yu-Gi-Oh! Online specifically, but yeah, KT has definately made a point that people are aware of his involvment with clearing up (modern) card text and things of that nature for the TCG.

I obviously can't tell you for certain how much involvment UDE actually has/had in the updated text, but I see no reason to disbelieve them on their word, either.
 
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Raijinili said:
Great, so you're bashing Konami over UDE, and UDE over us.
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No. I dislike how Konami has managed their game. UDE on the other has been fighting tooth and nail to fix up the game, as is evident with the TCG restriction list. I do NOT like Kevin. He sucks and pretty much the majority of what he says can be held with a grain of salt.

"Well you know when I go to Japan to see the game I just pick the cards I really liked and put them into consideration to be released as tins. There is no secret method we have at picking them."

Right..... that to me means: "We throw darts at cards on the wall."
 
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Again, Tiso, keep your tone non-aggressive. Thank you. Consider yourself warned. We don't tolerate aggressive behavior, and we will stop flame wars before they start. Raij, you've done this before, so don't try to start a fight.

I'm locking this thread until the Council can discuss this matter.

-John
 
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